• forkDestroyer@infosec.pub
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    5 days ago

    Do any of us have a will to go against before we are made? If we have no will, can it be gone against?

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      5 days ago

      “Without consent” would be a far more technically correct way to put it, and still convey most of the same emotional weight.

      But worrying about the technicalities of communication instead of the intended message is all sizzle and no steak. Communication is about communicating; and the listening part is too.

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        5 days ago

        “Without consent” would be a far more technically correct way to put it, and still convey most of the same emotional weight.

        How is it any more “correct?”

        What is the meaningful distinction between “will” and “consent”, here?

        Whether a child “wants” to be born or not is a meaningless question, no matter which word you choose.

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        5 days ago

        Same goes for consent. You have no ability to do anything before you exist, because there is no you, unless you believe in having a soul or attachment outside of our plane of existence.

        But yes, at the root of it all: You may not have chosen to be here (or maybe you did and you just don’t remember and don’t like your experience now), but perhaps you can make the most of your short time present.

        Welcome to Earth and try to enjoy the ride. Nothing seems to be permanent.

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          9 hours ago

          Consent is an action. You can do nothing while you don’t exist. (Usually not doing things is all you do while not existing.) You must be alive (or have been alive) to consent (or have consented).

          “Against my will” requires you to have preferences to be ignored. This can’t happen before you have preferences.