[in front of a protesting crowd, two characters are talking]
[blue, serious] Violence is never the solution
[purple, smug] Agreed, let’s disarm the police

[blue is now shown angrily gesticulating, sweating bullets]
NO,
NOT
LIKE
THIS

https://thebad.website/comic/my_little_state_violence

  • Big Baby Thor@sopuli.xyz
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    2 months ago

    Is this some American joke I’m too Norwegian to get? Yes, because our police don’t escalate, they don’t serve as some political tool to harass people for political gains, but they are highly qualified since you only make it to police school if you have high marks in most subjects…

    In the US, you could be ruled out of a position as sheriff if you score too high on a damn IQ test.

    See a pattern here, yanks? The more intelligent, the higher their chances are of being stable and capable of having empathy.

    But then again, you do live in a country where the police used an attack helicopter to bomb a housing complex…

    So maybe try community policing for a while?

    “How about no police”

    Yes, yes, and no laws, right? And no military… surely all these things are great ideas.

    • DraconicSun@piefed.socialEnglish
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      2 months ago

      “Abolish the police” is essentially shorthand for ending the current institution. Community policing IS the ideal goal.

      • guitarfosec@infosec.pubEnglish
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        2 months ago
        1. This movement does need a better slogan. “Defund the police” doesn’t convey the idea properly.
        2. This cartoon says “Disarm the police”, which is also terrible messaging and a straight up stupid idea. I wouldn’t work as a cop in this country without a gun.
        3. Police of some kind will always be necessary. Violence and physical power trump everything else, which is why we need people who are allowed to use force on our behalf so that we can run our societies based on rules and not who is the best at violence. Our system allows the people to get together and collectively hire and fire the people that hire and fire the cops we interact with on the streets. I don’t know exactly how that got corrupted or how to fix it.
        4. We need specific police reforms and the folks leading the groups pushing for these reforms need to work on their messaging so they don’t have people yelling and tweeting things out that make them look like idiots and turning people off. You’ll never win over the boot-lickers, but better messaging could be a game change overall.
        • DraconicSun@piefed.socialEnglish
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          2 months ago

          I wouldn’t work as a cop in this country without a gun.

          99% of police work does not require a gun. You don’t need a gun to sit on an overpass radaring cars, to show up 8 hours late to a burglary to take a note about what items were stolen to then immediately lose it, to harass homeowners about their lawn or the volume knob position in their stereo, to write a ticket and leave it on someone’s parked car… Nothing of that vein requires a gun, and every time guns are added to that mix, someone fucking dies. The cops responded to a kid having an autistic meltdown with a small knife on his hands on his family’s lawn, and the cops literally dumped 3 mags into him FROM OVER A FENCE HE COULDN’T JUMP CAUSE HE WAS SITTING ON THE FLOOR. European countries DO have a subsect of police that is heavily armed AND HEAVILY TRAINED to deal with actual shooting incidents, but they’re only called when absolutely necessary.

          Violence and physical power trump everything else, which is why we need people who are allowed to use force on our behalf so that we can run our societies based on rules and not who is the best at violence.

          No. You build a better society through cooperation. This is literally about making the state the best at violence so everyone complies. Hard fucking pass, lib.

          • guitarfosec@infosec.pubEnglish
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            3 days ago

            I just saw these replies now. You have a really good point about cops overseas. I like the UK model where most cops only have non-lethal weapons and they call in the cops with guns only when needed. I retract my point about cops in America needing guns. They don’t in all situations. Well said.

            As for violence trumping everything, I just mean someone can walk up with a rifle and start demanding shit and if no one else in your society has a gun, well I guess that guy is in charge now. An egalitarian and peaceful society is always the way to go. Dumb shits with weapons can waltz in and fuck yo that whole thing if you don’t have a plan for that, though.