Prof. Jeffrey Sachs argues that the world may already be entering the early stages of World War III, as the rapidly escalating conflict involving Iran begins…

Crosspost from https://lemmygrad.ml/post/10943030

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    7 days ago

    All because a bunch of billionaires want to fuck kids and not pay taxes.

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    Glenn Diesen, huh. Nothing wrong with watching it if you want to, but be aware that everything said will be fully compatible with Russian propaganda.

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      Jeffrey Sachs is a Russian propagandist as well. I’m not surprised this was posted on lemmygrad

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        A lie spreads quickly, but the truth endures. Jeffrey Sachs is simply a Western lib who found some conscience, and reactionaries have nothing but empty accusations.

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      everything said will be fully compatible with Russian propaganda.

      Could as well mean that the truth is labeled as Russian propaganda or that Russian propaganda is closer to the truth than American propaganda.

      What matters are facts. What is wrong and what are the biggest lies that he is spreading?

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        I didn’t watch this video, so I dunno what lies are being spread in this case. Russian propaganda is a vast playground of sculpted bullshit, with a wide variety of sights to see. They’re much better at it than the Americans. In the video I did watch recently, not realizing at first what it was, they were going with the general theme that the USA is totally going to lose the war against Iran. Why youtube’s recommendations algorithm started trying to tempt me with this stuff all the time lately I have no idea.

        These videos might be useful for finding out what the Russian propaganda machine wants you to believe, but not for anything else.

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          They’re much better at it than the Americans.

          Why? Couldn’t America be so good that people don’t notice?

          they were going with the general theme that the USA is totally going to lose the war against Iran.

          After Vietnam and Afghanistan that’s reasonable to assume. The interesting part is the discussion about why America doesn’t care.

          Why youtube’s recommendations algorithm started trying to tempt me with this stuff all the time lately I have no idea.

          Interesting, isn’t it? Why would a US company offer Russian propaganda?

          These videos might be useful for finding out what the Russian propaganda machine wants you to believe

          What’s your argument for Diesen being part of the machine and not neutral?

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            Why? Couldn’t America be so good that people don’t notice?

            Hahaha — no. Well, some people, some of the time. Americans have more flavours to choose from. If you’re genuinely ignorant of the basics of all this stuff, I don’t even know what to recommend. Good luck out there.

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        no no, this is not how the american cultists work.
        If party A says the sun comes up in the east party B must deny it dogmatically.

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        Could as well mean that the truth is labeled as Russian propaganda or that Russian propaganda is closer to the truth than American propaganda.

        Eh, until you ask them how their own war of choice in Ukraine is going.

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          It’s different than the numbers in the west. Which source can be trusted as an objective truth to know how much each side is off?

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            It’s pretty wild seeing Jeffrey Sachs called a Russian propagandist. Wikipedia credits him as the architect of “shock therapy” that undermined Russian economy.

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            The numbers are anybody’s guess, and even they probably don’t know for sure.

            But I’m talking about things like Russia claiming they had taken a specific town, and then Zelesnky posting a video of himself walking around in that town. Pretty clear which one is objective truth in cases like that.

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              Russia does very little of this, and much less than Ukrainian denials of reality. Mostly the front lines that Russia claims are reality. Definitely no example of a highly contested town that Zelensky walked through.

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      Similar to what the other responder said, I don’t onow who Glenn Diesen is, but you could replace Jeffrey Sachs name in your statement and it would be equally true.

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      The only way to get to the truth is to listen to everyone’s bullshit narratives and try to pick out the grain of truth in each. This has always been the case, throughout human history.

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        I don’t think that’s true. If you’re properly critical of your sources, and a ton of statements can safely be ignored. And that’s a good thing too, since it’s also not possible to be closely familiar with absolutely all narratives. There’s a lot of them.

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          I should not have used the phrase “everyone’s narratives”. I was referring more to tribalism.

          So, for example, when we start analyzing the US-Iran hostilities, we can’t trust any narrative that comes out of either the US or Iran. Recently, a school was hit by a US missile and children died, it tugged my heartstrings. I felt outrage. But then someone pointed out that the report of dead children could be a psy-op by Iran. Ok, fair point. Time to withhold judgement and check other sources for more information. In this case, it seems that the report was tragically genuine.

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          I don’t trust people to do this anymore.

          What do you mean “anymore”? My whole point is that everything you are seeing is normal. The misdirection, the fake news, the corruption. It’s always been there. The difference today is that information travels much, much faster than it used to.

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    This is basically all down to the Trump admin, IF the US gets its shit together soon, maybe it will end in just a stupid, fucked up, almost wwiii, and not wwiii.

    US people, please fucking do the thing your entire country is built on and riot against tyranny…

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    China or Russia involvement ends WW3. What is more likely is US runs out of weapons and declares victory. China/BRICs gain influence over GCC, and rest of world, as US is seen as impotent. Like Venezuela, the natural partners for Iran are Asia, because they can trade oil for reconstruction. Even if US pays for oil industry investment, there will still be trade incentives for Asia, and weapons/nationalization threats against US rebuilt ownership.

    Far more destruction of GCC oil infrastructure is within Iran capability. Israel’s targetting of oil refineries/storage should be condemned as a relationship breaking point by GCC, but they are too afraid. Still, US impotence to value GCC allies over Israel demonism, means no more investments in US, or reliance on US for defense after this is over.

    Iran is a peer missile power, and one of 4 drone super powers. (US distant 5th). Tel Aviv is under blackouts, https://www.facebook.com/SEAheritagehistory/posts/-a-ballistic-missile-reportedly-struck-israels-largest-power-station-orot-rabin-/984729600890998/ and other Israel power infrastructure has reported damage. No matter the censorship of Israel, there is extensive damage to the country. Last summer, it took 12 days to declare victory by bombing a mountain. Iranian production outpaced US since then. F35s are being delivered without electronics due to reliance on rare earths, that also impact the “exquisite class” offensive/defensive missile production, that only China refines, and has banned for US military complex.

    While I am disgusted by China and Russia’s lack of assertiveness in ending the war early, Iran can get to yet another ceasefire on its own, and get GCC to be more aligned with it, and less towards Zionaziism.

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    the trek version resulted in 600mil deaths, of course by that time they already developed fusion and ftl a shortwile later.

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    How would this escalate? Russia and China haven’t suggested they want to intervene. Even European leaders don’t seem very convinced about joining. You need at least two sides to fight a world war. Unless the US scapegoats Russia/China for the attack going poorly and use it as an excuse to attack (insane, but we can expect anything from Trump).

    I am more worried what happens after Iran. Trump might be emboldened to make a move on Cuba or Brazil.

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          To be honest at the rate we’re going of awful things happening in 2026 this might not be the conflict that starts ww3, we still have a whole 9 months left!

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          How long did Afghanistan war theatre last?

          ETA : if the Great Satan detonates nukes, it will be shorter than Afghanistan or fiction.

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    Cold War II. The Fascist Boogaloo, and the enemy within.

    It’s not wars directly with major powers, only wars against those without nuclear weapons and the rest. Meaning it will more closely follow a cold war template, of proxy conflicts, toppling regimes supported by adversaries not attacking those adversaries direct.