Cleveland's Flock Safety cameras kept recording after a 3-1 council vote killed the $250,000 contract, raising questions about who controls city surveillance.
Most of us voted for this by not voting for the literally only other viable candidate and most of us are too bitch pussy to nut the fuck up and own the consequences of our actions. That’s why most of us deserve what we’re getting. 75 million Americans don’t deserve this. The rest are getting what they voted for.
Harris has never even lied and pretended she is against the surveillance state or the military industrial complex. Did you want people to vote for Jill Stein? Write in Bernie during the primaries? You can vote for mask off fascism or you can vote for a respectable statesman who keeps the killing of brown people a bit quieter. How is that a viable option. Because you feel better stateside? Do you go on YouTube and comment on old Obama speeches about how you miss having a President who could speak in full sentences while he oversaw a campaign of mass terror, bailed out (FUNDED) global financial leeches, and did nothing to slow the consolidation of billionaire backed media and tech conglomerates because at the end of the day, he believes in this shit too?
I do not consider a teenager fresh to current events disagreeing with me on politics as much of a gotcha moment. If you’re older than I’ve guessed you should consider learning more before you try to transition into educating. If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere. But maybe there’s still pride at Target. Is that what you mean by viable?
Building a civilization is harder than you think. You’re being lazy by not putting the work in to make things better.
Do you think all the forces at play that have led us here will magically go away after it all burns down? You’re either dangerously naive, stupid, or have an ulterior motive.
Of course not. But that’s not the only action I would suggest.
Get involved at the ground level. Meet with people from other county groups and run for things or support local candidates that you believe in. Meet with higher level groups and give them a heads up that the base is much more left than the top, and that we need more than lip service going forward.
We have to grab the party and haul it away from the money trough. Conservatives won’t give up, neither should we.
If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere.
What about all those little girls who had their school bombed, would they be dead too? Would the various humanitarian aid ngos still be defunded, directly leading to unnecessary death?
What a lazy argument. Just because the obvious better candidate didn’t do everything you wanted, don’t vote for them, even if they do some things better. Since they’re not perfect, fuck them and let the fascist win. That’s literally accelerationism, you just don’t want to acknowledge the clear result of your position.
if you voted for [Democrat] would [bad thing] still happen in [foreign place]
Yeah obviously. Do you understand how many different Democrat administrations have funded various genocides, dictatorships, and hostile takeovers of self governing people
Do you understand how many different Democrat administrations have funded various genocides, dictatorships, and hostile takeovers of self governing people
And what does that have to do with the results of a war that was started by trump and opposed by everyone who doesn’t support him? Why would the Democrats start a war against Iran? What actual evidence, out side of your feefees, do you have that this still would have happened?
If you ever wonder why people don’t take you seriously, this shit is why. Your argument might as well just be “BOTH SIDES BAD”, at least then wouldn’t be pretending to give a single shit about reality.
As it is, you’re effectively running cover for the republicans with this accelerationist bullshit, because if the democrats would have done it, it doesn’t matter that the republicans won. There are a LOT of arguments to make about how the democrats aren’t nearly left enough and don’t do enough for the people, try to find one instead of vomiting out this lazy and thoughtless argument that falls apart if you bother to think for 2 seconds.
My argument, were anyone interested in hearing it rather than themselves, would be that there is nothing magical about voting, which is just one of many forms of representation. Acting as though you have done the long hard work of democracy because you turn in a ballot every once in a while for local representatives you do not know and will never pressure is sad. You care more about institutional longevity than human suffering; you think democracy is regular elections not self governance. You will happily vote for the lesser of two evils because you don’t like how much work it would take to do even better than the options you are spoon fed by billionaires who would kill your neighbors if it improved the S&P by half a point. England is undermining trial by jury with secret judicial rulings. Guantanamo Bay still holds human beings “outside the law.” All across the “civilized” world, protests against this grotesque misrepresentation of the public will are subject to approval. Where is your evidence that you can vote this away? You hold back progress with this idea that you will be handed back your power if you are patient enough.
You care more about institutional longevity than human suffering; you think democracy is regular elections not self governance.
I stopped right here because clearly you’re full of shit of you think not voting means you care about human suffering.
Voting is the bare minimum, and so many can’t even do that. Community organization and mutual self aid are fantastic ways of using your time the other 1459 days of an election cycle, but if you can’t be bothered to engage in voting and someone is elected that can destroy all the progress you made, you’re set back drastically rather than you would have been otherwise. You are intentionally picking paths that lead to suffering, and you do your best to not acknowledge the immediate consequences of your actions and try to play it off like the obvious result of your actions was inevitable,rather than something you helped set up.
Yeah, I will vote for the lesser evil, because I’m not an accelerationist who doesn’t care how many people are hurt in order to bring change. Justify it to yourself however you want, we don’t care how virtuous you are when we’re dying on the streets while you argue theory and feel smug about choices that objectively make millions of peoples’ lives worse.
Edit: and you still have provided no more proof of your initial assertion than whatever rhetoric you’re pulling from your ass.
What a joke. Harris, the ex-prosecutor who worked directly with police to send people to jail would have somehow banned these devices? Based on what exactly, the (D) next to her name?
These cameras are all over Democratic cities because they love surveillance too. Look how many stories about people wrongfully accused/arrested of crimes based on junk Flock data have come out of places like Colorado and California.
Furthermore Democrats are all on board with other mass surveillance laws such as the KIDS Act, requiring people to show ID to install operating systems or go online, which has a majority support amongst both Democratic and Republican legislators. Obama happily continued the PATRIOT Act, and the list goes on.
What a bunch of absolute nonsense pulled straight from your behind.
Yeah, that’s why you primary incumbents with progressives you fucking walnut. Participate in the fuckin conversation or go back to your accelerationist space. What you’re doing right here gets republicans elected, but that’s probably your goal anyway.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24 or use their wealth and power to crush progressive candidates like they tried to do in the NYC mayoral election. You’re dangerously naive if you think that the issue with these people holding us under their thumb is that they don’t have enough support from us.
You’re the accelerationist here because you’re the one demanding we turn our brains off and support the status quo and let them do as they wish. You’re being played like a fiddle.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24
This is exactly why people need to join the Democratic party to change it from within.
There are only 2 options currently, completely insane and less insane, joining the less insane to improve it is the better option.
Trying to change things from a third party is a fools errand, they will never achieve power as long as Republicans and Democrats agree on sharing it.
“viable candidate” and it was someone who was trying to appeal to moderate republicans that don’t exist. Now your party is getting all of your incumbents unseated in favor of socialists and all they’re worried about is how to sabotage said socialists so they can continue to do nothing.
And this right here is why Americans mostly deserve what they’ve got. And I’m the socialist taking over the party. If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now, but numpty fucks scream both sides and here we are.
If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now
Except the DNC goes out of their way to sabotage the campaigns of progressive candidates in the primaries and convince everyone that these people are “extremists who can’t win,” so that their right-wing members can continue to win elections and ignore the will of the voters since so many people like yourself are willing to vote for literally anyone just so long as they aren’t the other guy.
This is precisely why fascism took over because we have two parties controlled by fascists and people like yourself refuse to see the light and change your ways. You still think voting for the lesser evil today will somehow lead to candidates who aren’t evil in the future but that’s not how things work as evidenced by 250 years of our history and the fact that it makes zero logical sense.
The DNC knows that you will always compromise your supposed beliefs in order to make the other guy lose therefore they have zero reason to ever do anything for you. Republicans do the exact same thing and thats why they’ve both held on to power all this time despite nearly everyone hating them both. You’re just feeding right into their game.
You’re an acceleration actively advocating for the destruction of the nation, who gives a fuck what you fuckin think? Fuckin ruspublican propagandist motherfuckers all over this garbage ass platform, making fucking redditors look intelligent. And stop using an LLM to write your comments. This fucking place.
You wanna talk about propaganda? How about your assertion that the Democratic party is the only thing standing between us and the destruction of the nation when we can all see with our own eyes that they are more than happy to help push forth Trump’s agenda. You sound like a MAGA Republican who drank too much koolaid.
You had 13 big names in your party saying they’ll spend more time fighting the socialists than the actual fascists. And people ARE voting for progressives in primaries exactly because the incumbents have been doing exactly nothing. The incumbents wouldn’t be getting primaried if they weren’t so similar to the Republicans to the point of collusion.
20% of the democratic party is progressive. Whats your big plan to win any election ever again without them? I would have thought losing the last election would teach you chuckleheads some simple math but here we go again.
How many more DNC cashouts/betrayals can the country handle before either the government collapses or we descend completely into fascism? Why arent the centrists dems DOING THEIR EFFING JOB never a possible discussion topic for people like you? God forbid we have a concrete party platform and have any expectation that anyone follow it, right? That might mean fewer donations from special interests and foreign nations.
None of you dumbfucks can read. What part of “elect progressives in democratic primaries to turn the democratic party into a progressive socialist party” do you not understand? This is literally the only point I’ve been making here, if all you stupid numpty motherfuckers voted for progressives in democratic primaries we’d have a fucking progressive party. But you dumb shits can’t even fucking read.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you, this was a response to “Whats your big plan to win any election ever again without them?”, the answer is that they don’t have a big plan beyond “ratfuck progressives>do poorly in the general>occasionally win after the republicans get their way>ratfuck progressives”. They are OK with losing to republicans, hence all the deeply unpopular shit they did in 2024
Most of us voted for this by not voting for the literally only other viable candidate and most of us are too bitch pussy to nut the fuck up and own the consequences of our actions. That’s why most of us deserve what we’re getting. 75 million Americans don’t deserve this. The rest are getting what they voted for.
Harris has never even lied and pretended she is against the surveillance state or the military industrial complex. Did you want people to vote for Jill Stein? Write in Bernie during the primaries? You can vote for mask off fascism or you can vote for a respectable statesman who keeps the killing of brown people a bit quieter. How is that a viable option. Because you feel better stateside? Do you go on YouTube and comment on old Obama speeches about how you miss having a President who could speak in full sentences while he oversaw a campaign of mass terror, bailed out (FUNDED) global financial leeches, and did nothing to slow the consolidation of billionaire backed media and tech conglomerates because at the end of the day, he believes in this shit too?
So your solution is get the mask off fascism in power, congratulations you’re an accelerationist and thus about as serious as the average MAGAt.
I do not consider a teenager fresh to current events disagreeing with me on politics as much of a gotcha moment. If you’re older than I’ve guessed you should consider learning more before you try to transition into educating. If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere. But maybe there’s still pride at Target. Is that what you mean by viable?
Building a civilization is harder than you think. You’re being lazy by not putting the work in to make things better.
Do you think all the forces at play that have led us here will magically go away after it all burns down? You’re either dangerously naive, stupid, or have an ulterior motive.
I don’t. Do you think they’ll go away if you vote?
Of course not. But that’s not the only action I would suggest.
Get involved at the ground level. Meet with people from other county groups and run for things or support local candidates that you believe in. Meet with higher level groups and give them a heads up that the base is much more left than the top, and that we need more than lip service going forward.
We have to grab the party and haul it away from the money trough. Conservatives won’t give up, neither should we.
What about all those little girls who had their school bombed, would they be dead too? Would the various humanitarian aid ngos still be defunded, directly leading to unnecessary death?
What a lazy argument. Just because the obvious better candidate didn’t do everything you wanted, don’t vote for them, even if they do some things better. Since they’re not perfect, fuck them and let the fascist win. That’s literally accelerationism, you just don’t want to acknowledge the clear result of your position.
Yeah obviously. Do you understand how many different Democrat administrations have funded various genocides, dictatorships, and hostile takeovers of self governing people
And what does that have to do with the results of a war that was started by trump and opposed by everyone who doesn’t support him? Why would the Democrats start a war against Iran? What actual evidence, out side of your feefees, do you have that this still would have happened?
If you ever wonder why people don’t take you seriously, this shit is why. Your argument might as well just be “BOTH SIDES BAD”, at least then wouldn’t be pretending to give a single shit about reality.
As it is, you’re effectively running cover for the republicans with this accelerationist bullshit, because if the democrats would have done it, it doesn’t matter that the republicans won. There are a LOT of arguments to make about how the democrats aren’t nearly left enough and don’t do enough for the people, try to find one instead of vomiting out this lazy and thoughtless argument that falls apart if you bother to think for 2 seconds.
My argument, were anyone interested in hearing it rather than themselves, would be that there is nothing magical about voting, which is just one of many forms of representation. Acting as though you have done the long hard work of democracy because you turn in a ballot every once in a while for local representatives you do not know and will never pressure is sad. You care more about institutional longevity than human suffering; you think democracy is regular elections not self governance. You will happily vote for the lesser of two evils because you don’t like how much work it would take to do even better than the options you are spoon fed by billionaires who would kill your neighbors if it improved the S&P by half a point. England is undermining trial by jury with secret judicial rulings. Guantanamo Bay still holds human beings “outside the law.” All across the “civilized” world, protests against this grotesque misrepresentation of the public will are subject to approval. Where is your evidence that you can vote this away? You hold back progress with this idea that you will be handed back your power if you are patient enough.
I stopped right here because clearly you’re full of shit of you think not voting means you care about human suffering.
Voting is the bare minimum, and so many can’t even do that. Community organization and mutual self aid are fantastic ways of using your time the other 1459 days of an election cycle, but if you can’t be bothered to engage in voting and someone is elected that can destroy all the progress you made, you’re set back drastically rather than you would have been otherwise. You are intentionally picking paths that lead to suffering, and you do your best to not acknowledge the immediate consequences of your actions and try to play it off like the obvious result of your actions was inevitable,rather than something you helped set up.
Yeah, I will vote for the lesser evil, because I’m not an accelerationist who doesn’t care how many people are hurt in order to bring change. Justify it to yourself however you want, we don’t care how virtuous you are when we’re dying on the streets while you argue theory and feel smug about choices that objectively make millions of peoples’ lives worse.
Edit: and you still have provided no more proof of your initial assertion than whatever rhetoric you’re pulling from your ass.
Tedious thread hijacking. There are whole communities of post after post for you to do this exact thing. Cant you go do this there?
What a joke. Harris, the ex-prosecutor who worked directly with police to send people to jail would have somehow banned these devices? Based on what exactly, the (D) next to her name?
These cameras are all over Democratic cities because they love surveillance too. Look how many stories about people wrongfully accused/arrested of crimes based on junk Flock data have come out of places like Colorado and California.
Furthermore Democrats are all on board with other mass surveillance laws such as the KIDS Act, requiring people to show ID to install operating systems or go online, which has a majority support amongst both Democratic and Republican legislators. Obama happily continued the PATRIOT Act, and the list goes on.
What a bunch of absolute nonsense pulled straight from your behind.
Yeah, that’s why you primary incumbents with progressives you fucking walnut. Participate in the fuckin conversation or go back to your accelerationist space. What you’re doing right here gets republicans elected, but that’s probably your goal anyway.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24 or use their wealth and power to crush progressive candidates like they tried to do in the NYC mayoral election. You’re dangerously naive if you think that the issue with these people holding us under their thumb is that they don’t have enough support from us.
You’re the accelerationist here because you’re the one demanding we turn our brains off and support the status quo and let them do as they wish. You’re being played like a fiddle.
This is exactly why people need to join the Democratic party to change it from within.
There are only 2 options currently, completely insane and less insane, joining the less insane to improve it is the better option.
Trying to change things from a third party is a fools errand, they will never achieve power as long as Republicans and Democrats agree on sharing it.
“viable candidate” and it was someone who was trying to appeal to moderate republicans that don’t exist. Now your party is getting all of your incumbents unseated in favor of socialists and all they’re worried about is how to sabotage said socialists so they can continue to do nothing.
And this right here is why Americans mostly deserve what they’ve got. And I’m the socialist taking over the party. If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now, but numpty fucks scream both sides and here we are.
Except the DNC goes out of their way to sabotage the campaigns of progressive candidates in the primaries and convince everyone that these people are “extremists who can’t win,” so that their right-wing members can continue to win elections and ignore the will of the voters since so many people like yourself are willing to vote for literally anyone just so long as they aren’t the other guy.
This is precisely why fascism took over because we have two parties controlled by fascists and people like yourself refuse to see the light and change your ways. You still think voting for the lesser evil today will somehow lead to candidates who aren’t evil in the future but that’s not how things work as evidenced by 250 years of our history and the fact that it makes zero logical sense.
The DNC knows that you will always compromise your supposed beliefs in order to make the other guy lose therefore they have zero reason to ever do anything for you. Republicans do the exact same thing and thats why they’ve both held on to power all this time despite nearly everyone hating them both. You’re just feeding right into their game.
You’re an acceleration actively advocating for the destruction of the nation, who gives a fuck what you fuckin think? Fuckin ruspublican propagandist motherfuckers all over this garbage ass platform, making fucking redditors look intelligent. And stop using an LLM to write your comments. This fucking place.
You wanna talk about propaganda? How about your assertion that the Democratic party is the only thing standing between us and the destruction of the nation when we can all see with our own eyes that they are more than happy to help push forth Trump’s agenda. You sound like a MAGA Republican who drank too much koolaid.
You had 13 big names in your party saying they’ll spend more time fighting the socialists than the actual fascists. And people ARE voting for progressives in primaries exactly because the incumbents have been doing exactly nothing. The incumbents wouldn’t be getting primaried if they weren’t so similar to the Republicans to the point of collusion.
Oh no 13 out of 257 members of the big tent party… And we still got a bunch in the primaries. Give your balls a tug.
20% of the democratic party is progressive. Whats your big plan to win any election ever again without them? I would have thought losing the last election would teach you chuckleheads some simple math but here we go again.
How many more DNC cashouts/betrayals can the country handle before either the government collapses or we descend completely into fascism? Why arent the centrists dems DOING THEIR EFFING JOB never a possible discussion topic for people like you? God forbid we have a concrete party platform and have any expectation that anyone follow it, right? That might mean fewer donations from special interests and foreign nations.
They genuinely would prefer to lose to a republican than let a socialist win, because a republican isn’t going to fuck up the bag for them.
None of you dumbfucks can read. What part of “elect progressives in democratic primaries to turn the democratic party into a progressive socialist party” do you not understand? This is literally the only point I’ve been making here, if all you stupid numpty motherfuckers voted for progressives in democratic primaries we’d have a fucking progressive party. But you dumb shits can’t even fucking read.
Chill.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you, this was a response to “Whats your big plan to win any election ever again without them?”, the answer is that they don’t have a big plan beyond “ratfuck progressives>do poorly in the general>occasionally win after the republicans get their way>ratfuck progressives”. They are OK with losing to republicans, hence all the deeply unpopular shit they did in 2024