Numerous research papers I have studied. Before I started vaping more than 10 years ago.
The base for the juice was very thoroughly studied all the way back to the 50’s, and was used to prevent infectious respiratory diseases in kindergartens, and is still used in asthma inhalers, and is also used as stage “smoke”. So there are numerous uses of the vaping juice that are all considered perfectly safe.
The nicotine itself is not a carcinogen, so all that remains is the food grade flavors, that are most likely about as safe as the smell of a pot of tea.
Not that cancer is the only health risk worth mentioning, but I wouldn’t count on this.
The IARC monograph has not included nicotine as a carcinogen. However there are various studies which show otherwise. We undertook this review to specifically evaluate the effects of nicotine on the various organ systems. A computer aided search of the Medline and PubMed database was done using a combination of the keywords. All the animal and human studies investigating only the role of nicotine were included. Nicotine poses several health hazards. There is an increased risk of cardiovascular, respiratory, gastrointestinal disorders. There is decreased immune response and it also poses ill impacts on the reproductive health. It affects the cell proliferation, oxidative stress, apoptosis, DNA mutation by various mechanisms which leads to cancer. It also affects the tumor proliferation and metastasis and causes resistance to chemo and radio therapeutic agents.
Further, I wonder how anyone could possibly know for sure that inhaling the base product is safe. You need decades to know that AND to regulate the ingredients to be sure nothing bad is in there. I don’t know the specifics on today’s laws around the world, but I know this has been mostly unregulated for a while. And it wouldn’t surprise me slightly if people are getting known bad ingredients in products shipped in from China or elsewhere.
Vaping is probably safer than cigarettes and I think that’s about as far as you can honestly go right now.
I wonder how anyone could possibly know for sure that inhaling the base product is safe.
The only thing we can know for sure is our own existence. So that an impossible target to meet.
All we can say is that after investigating it thoroughly we have no evidence to the contrary.
You need decades to know that
Yes and this has been researched since the 50’s. As I’ve mentioned multiple times in this thread. It is considered safe enough to have been used in kindergartens to prevent respiratory disease, in asthma inhalers, and in machines to create stage smoke.
Vaping is probably safer than cigarettes
No not probably, because there can be zero reasonable doubt that vaping is only a few percentage the health risk of smoking. The research is very clear on that.
Not a peep on the fact that nicotine probably causes cancer, definitely causes other health problems, or the fact that there’s definitely shit in this vape juice that no one even knows about.
Saying that vaping is “probably” safer than cigarettes, is decidedly misinformation, nicotine is a very well known compound, and is not considered a carcinogen. Everything is toxic in high enough doses even water.
If you drink 4 liters of water quickly, your brain will swell and you will die. That does not make water a toxic compound.
Seems to me that you are dishonest on this subject for some reason, mostly using arguments from ignorance. There are limits to the time I want to spend on that type of debate.
You are adamant that vaping is safe. That is fucking absolutely misinformation. It is not in any way safe, not even close. You refuse to engage on facts you find inconvenient. Bye.
You read like a child, saying that vaping is only a tiny percentage the health hazard a cigarette is, is not saying it’s 100% safe.
Even 1% of the hazard of one of the most damaging things you can do from a health perspective is not a blanket statement that it is safe.
But for perspective, I’d argue that vaping is less a health hazard than drinking a soft drink with sugar, and 10-100 times more flavor than is in a vape.
You seem religiously misinformed.
The only concern i have is the flavors. Yes, they’re “Generally Regarded As Safe” for eating. There’s not been sufficient study on the long term effects of inhaling them in the fashion that a vape delivers.
The flavor is the biggest unknown. Especially if the particular flavor used is unknown.
I personally mixed my own juices, and all I can say with regard to flavors is that the amounts are very small for most flavors, and vaping it is not much different from smelling it if added to food or even tea as flavoring.
So if these flavorings are a significant health hazard, I think it would have been detected in the industrial processes where they are used, and in professional kitchens.
There was the infamous popcorn lung situations, where workers on a factory making artificial butter flavor were inhaling crazy high amounts of it. Like millions of times what you would inhale when vaping. It was called popcorn lungs, because the butter flavoring was used for microwave popcorn.
It caused enormous damage to the reputation of this type of flavoring, but in reality the flavor wasn’t really the issue, it was the insanely bad and irresponsible conditions under which it was produced, that offered absolutely zero protection for the workers, while there also was near zero ventilation, causing the flavor to permeate the production facility in extreme concentrations.
Yeah, this and also, whatever happened to the age old advice “inhaling anything but clean air is bad for your health”? That doesn’t vanish because you’re replacing something which is worse for your health.
We know that inhaling tobacco smoke is bad for you, and we have a good idea of how bad and why, because science.
That same kind of science hasn’t been done on vaping. The handful of studies I’m aware of have all been horribly designed. From a data standpoint, that makes vaping an unknown.
However.
The only major incident that’s even vape-adjacent was when some knobs were putting Vit E acetate into bathtub THC cart refills. I’m not saying it’s impossible that there are conditions that haven’t yet been linked to vaping, but the more time passes, the more people who are vaping, and still no “epidemic” level of disease in relation? I know that absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence, but the people who holler about the dangers of vaping have never been able to demonstrate (to me) what those dangers are.
This is a mischaracterization of the conversations I’ve seen and been a part of. What people are trying to say is that no one should be assuming that because vaping seems safer that it is harmless.
Numerous research papers I have studied. Before I started vaping more than 10 years ago.
The base for the juice was very thoroughly studied all the way back to the 50’s, and was used to prevent infectious respiratory diseases in kindergartens, and is still used in asthma inhalers, and is also used as stage “smoke”. So there are numerous uses of the vaping juice that are all considered perfectly safe.
The nicotine itself is not a carcinogen, so all that remains is the food grade flavors, that are most likely about as safe as the smell of a pot of tea.
Not that cancer is the only health risk worth mentioning, but I wouldn’t count on this.
Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4363846/
Further, I wonder how anyone could possibly know for sure that inhaling the base product is safe. You need decades to know that AND to regulate the ingredients to be sure nothing bad is in there. I don’t know the specifics on today’s laws around the world, but I know this has been mostly unregulated for a while. And it wouldn’t surprise me slightly if people are getting known bad ingredients in products shipped in from China or elsewhere.
Vaping is probably safer than cigarettes and I think that’s about as far as you can honestly go right now.
The only thing we can know for sure is our own existence. So that an impossible target to meet.
All we can say is that after investigating it thoroughly we have no evidence to the contrary.
Yes and this has been researched since the 50’s. As I’ve mentioned multiple times in this thread. It is considered safe enough to have been used in kindergartens to prevent respiratory disease, in asthma inhalers, and in machines to create stage smoke.
No not probably, because there can be zero reasonable doubt that vaping is only a few percentage the health risk of smoking. The research is very clear on that.
Not a peep on the fact that nicotine probably causes cancer, definitely causes other health problems, or the fact that there’s definitely shit in this vape juice that no one even knows about.
Pick a better hill to die on.
Saying that vaping is “probably” safer than cigarettes, is decidedly misinformation, nicotine is a very well known compound, and is not considered a carcinogen. Everything is toxic in high enough doses even water.
If you drink 4 liters of water quickly, your brain will swell and you will die. That does not make water a toxic compound.
Seems to me that you are dishonest on this subject for some reason, mostly using arguments from ignorance. There are limits to the time I want to spend on that type of debate.
You are adamant that vaping is safe. That is fucking absolutely misinformation. It is not in any way safe, not even close. You refuse to engage on facts you find inconvenient. Bye.
You read like a child, saying that vaping is only a tiny percentage the health hazard a cigarette is, is not saying it’s 100% safe.
Even 1% of the hazard of one of the most damaging things you can do from a health perspective is not a blanket statement that it is safe.
But for perspective, I’d argue that vaping is less a health hazard than drinking a soft drink with sugar, and 10-100 times more flavor than is in a vape.
You seem religiously misinformed.
Only a moron would think nicotine is safe.
The only concern i have is the flavors. Yes, they’re “Generally Regarded As Safe” for eating. There’s not been sufficient study on the long term effects of inhaling them in the fashion that a vape delivers.
The flavor is the biggest unknown. Especially if the particular flavor used is unknown.
I personally mixed my own juices, and all I can say with regard to flavors is that the amounts are very small for most flavors, and vaping it is not much different from smelling it if added to food or even tea as flavoring.
So if these flavorings are a significant health hazard, I think it would have been detected in the industrial processes where they are used, and in professional kitchens.
There was the infamous popcorn lung situations, where workers on a factory making artificial butter flavor were inhaling crazy high amounts of it. Like millions of times what you would inhale when vaping. It was called popcorn lungs, because the butter flavoring was used for microwave popcorn.
It caused enormous damage to the reputation of this type of flavoring, but in reality the flavor wasn’t really the issue, it was the insanely bad and irresponsible conditions under which it was produced, that offered absolutely zero protection for the workers, while there also was near zero ventilation, causing the flavor to permeate the production facility in extreme concentrations.
That’s good to hear, about the amounts of flavoring. I’m also aware of the diacetyl thing, everyone stopped using that one so far as I’m aware.
Yeah, this and also, whatever happened to the age old advice “inhaling anything but clean air is bad for your health”? That doesn’t vanish because you’re replacing something which is worse for your health.
We know that inhaling tobacco smoke is bad for you, and we have a good idea of how bad and why, because science.
That same kind of science hasn’t been done on vaping. The handful of studies I’m aware of have all been horribly designed. From a data standpoint, that makes vaping an unknown.
However.
The only major incident that’s even vape-adjacent was when some knobs were putting Vit E acetate into bathtub THC cart refills. I’m not saying it’s impossible that there are conditions that haven’t yet been linked to vaping, but the more time passes, the more people who are vaping, and still no “epidemic” level of disease in relation? I know that absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence, but the people who holler about the dangers of vaping have never been able to demonstrate (to me) what those dangers are.
This is a mischaracterization of the conversations I’ve seen and been a part of. What people are trying to say is that no one should be assuming that because vaping seems safer that it is harmless.