A widespread concern is what would happen to Dutch weapon systems if the Americans were to withdraw completely as an ally. For example, Dutch F-35 aircraft are dependent on American software updates. Yet, Tuinman isn’t particularly worried about this.
“The F-35 is truly a shared product. The British make the Rolls-Royce engines, and the Americans simply need them too.” And even if this mutual dependency doesn’t result in software updates, the F-35, in its current state, is still a better aircraft than other types of fighters.
If you still want to upgrade despite everything, I’m going to say something I should never say, but I will anyway: you can jailbreak an F-35 just like an iPhone. (Crack it with your own software, ed.)
I’ve been working in the Dutch tech sector for decades. My general opinion about the culture of Dutch governmental institutions, including Defense, is one of neoliberalism and technological opportunism.
Public officials are completely ignorant about technology, yet misuse technology to advance their careers by starting megalomanic IT-projects, meant as nonsensical solutions to help realize highly unlikely business cases, that will only be realized (maybe) years after they’d handed over the reigns.
All of this has caused governments to become highly digitized, with large pools of IT-‘professionals’, yet barely able to maintain and develop the digital infrastructure they built up, because of a catastrophic shortage of tech-savy leaders and actual experts.
The reason I mention this, is because Dutch public officials are generally both highly techno-optimistic as well as highly techno-ignorant. Its not uncommon to see them making claims that sound misguided or downright false to anyone who’s anyone.
My take is that Tuinman likely shared his comment in an attempt to comfort the public, but that it betrays his fundamental lack of understanding about the digital infrastructure that makes up the F35. And if Tuinman is being fed this sort of information by his subordinates, then I’m worried that the experts at Defense might not actually understand the infrastructure themselves either.
The risk in all of this, is that Defense and the political establishment might be lulling themselves into a false sense of security, by underestimating the risks. Sure, you can jailbreak software, but many of the F35’s capabilities still require live access to the American intelligence infrastructure. Without that access, knowing there is no European alternative, the F35 would be a fundamentally broken plane.
Worked as an American consultant for the Dutch government in IT, can confirm this absolutely. It’s a case of finding private companies to funnel money to instead of actually creating capacity, all because of the incorrect illusion that the private sector is magically efficient.
My unofficial advice to my colleagues while leaving my posting was “stop hiring people like me. Spend the money on developing good internal devs”.
Well yeah, nerds in their basement with a passion for repairability figured out how to jailbreak iPhones, of course nation-states with a passion for
killing othersprotecting their global interests are gonna figure out how to jailbreak their war machinesNext F35-frimware-dump on Piratebay:
[ RELEASE INFORMATION ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- NAME......: F-35_Series_FW_Utility VERSION...: v2.4.0-OPEN DATE......: 2026-05-04 PLATFORM..: Embedded Linux / RTOS TYPE......: Firmware Dump & Tools SIZE .....: 14.2 GB (840x50MB) ORIGIN....: Internal Flash (SPI/NAND) [ DESCRIPTION ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- This package contains a jailbreaked binary dump of the flight controller. Included are scripts for: * Hex-signature verification * Partition table analysis * File system extraction and flashing [ INSTALLATION / USAGE ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Ensure your Fighter jet is in USB-Debugging mode. 2. Run 'python3 F35_jailbreak_flash.py --check-signatures' 3. Take Off CAUTION: Modifying firmware can result in a bricked device or "Fly-Away" scenarios. Use at your own risk. [ GREETS ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- To the researchers, the tinkerer community, and all those who believe in the right to repair and modify their hardware. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Information wants to be free."```Flashing failed 5 minutes in, and now an upside down jet with a big yellow ! coming out of the belly is on the screen. Did I brick my F-35 or is it recoverable?
Depends on your altitude…
I was picturing more like a custom ROM on XDA: “Bugs? You tell me.”
Help, how do I unlock the bootloader
During startup, press the fire missile and eject buttons at the same time for 20 seconds
The future is vibe coders getting jobs creating plausible, yet fundamentally broken firmware updates to OTA brick F-35 fighter jets.
Come attack us, I dare you. Jack here used his prompting skills to package some Stack Overflow RUST code into Golang binaries that another prompt converted into XHTML so another prompt could compile it into a Bash script to fix the bug in flight controls. Come within 50-nautical miles and we’ll OTA update your plane so hard you wish we fired missiles at you!
Install Graphene on it lol
Graphene Devs: We can’t support it because it doesn’t have a Titan M Chip blah blah blah
If you can jailbreak it, Tuinman, Vlad can jailbreak it.
The racist sack of shit, Hegseth, will have his sick fucknut friend, Doug Wilson (Christian Nationalist), bless each F-35. I hope one of you posts the Pentagon Prayer service given by the fucking lunatics.
If I had the F-35 in my inventory, I would hire a bunch of hackers to prepare the aircraft’s software for the just in case moment.
Please keep buying our jets bro
We spent $1 trillion to make them bro, we need these to work bro
We’ll iron out all he bugs, trust us bro
It’s the best jet ever made bro, it’s killed so many Palestinians and Iranians bro
I’m still waiting for them to use the F-35 against an actual competent adversary with an actual airforce, but I think the only possibility would be China.
Maybe Pakistan if India buys the F-35, but even they know its a Lockheed money scam.
Upon hearing this news I ordered a F-35 from Ali Express but they sent me a J-35 instead. Does the jailbreak still work on this device or am I stuck with the stock software? What’s the character for landing gear again?
Check budgetfighterforums.com
imagine flying a jailbroken fighter plane that gets an over-the-air update that bricks the controls
just get the gripen
“ATTENTION! Your jet has been hacked by MilitaryGod Tech Team[LOL]. Your radios and controls have been disabled. Do not attempt to eject. Please send 10 bitcoin to wallet 214d93120cd3192ea019ab03928f1fa03 immediately to unlock your controls. If we do not receive payment in 15 minutes, all weapons onboard will be launched at nearby friendly targets. Thank you for your prompt attention to this urgent matter. Have a nice day!”
Something tells me fighter planes don’t get updates from anything other than a computer plugged directly into them.
That would seem like an awful idea that would be a dangerous security risk to the fighter.
So they probably did it anyway.
Right to repair my F-35!
And here I thought the military would want their stuff to work without software updates and be open source.
The military wants the best equipment, and currently in terms of specs that is the F-35.
That comes with a dependence on the United States, which at the time of purchasing these jets was not considered to be a particular concern because America is a good ally and a part of NATO.
Following Trump’s re-election and antics over Greenland, that calculation is now different. It might not be worth it to buy new F-35s at this point (though Germany seems to be considering it still), but the Dutch army has pre-existing F-35s which we should be able to use even if America doesn’t want us to for whatever reason.
At this point for the purchase of new jets we really should be looking at the new Eurofighter though, imo
So basically, its enshittification.
… but with a multi role stealth aircraft.
Its very funny to me that all the people who make all the decisions and rules around how software should work… are finding out that when everything hss software in it, well, everything has software in it.
Personally I’m waiting for more custom ROMs or whatever for cars.
Oh yeah this car is unlocked, you just actually get all the features, no need to pay Ford or GM or BMW on an perpetual basis for your heated seats.
With F-35’s costs, is it really the best equipment? I suspect the real reason is that replacing it is a gigantic undertaking that might be far more expensive short-term.
The components dependency part in fighter jets, though, is something they really should be able to solve. Those are very complex systems, but designed with integration and customization in mind. That’s one of the reasons they are so expensive. Slowly replacing everything in them with components from more reliable producers is normal for militaries. Well, for militaries with actual RnD and production, of course Uzbekistan or Colombia can’t do that, but Netherlands can.
With F-35’s costs, is it really the best equipment?
Name another stealth jet that you can buy right now in significant numbers.
Do Netherlands need a stealth jet at all? Perhaps a fleet of cheap drones is better.
I mean, in some “global power projection” context like USA or thinking of readiness for total war like Israel, those jets are not optional.
But the threat model of Netherlands is which? Considering it doesn’t even have mandatory military training.
There is an argument smaller countries need stealth fighters more than big ones like America because there is a larger emphasis on each plane and pilot. Giving each pilot the competitive edge is necessary when you only have a few hundred pilots max, compared to the USA that has around 15,000.
Honestly calling a country that can afford even a single F-35 small seems strange. And having only one doesn’t make sense. You need to rotate them for maintenance, have a few up at once (at least 2) for basic tactics, so it seems having less than 8 fighters is just not enough. And then you need jet fuel, missiles, ground systems, avionics, radars, all up-to-date.
Small militarily not small economically. The Royal Netherlands Air Force is small, especially compared to the USAF. The USAF has more pilots than the RNAF has total service members.
The RNAF has 50 F-35s, not all are active at the same time, and Wikipedia does not list any other active combat aircraft since they sent their F-16s to Ukraine. So not a lot of aircraft and not a lot of pilots.
It’s not just about defending the Netherlands but all of NATO, which involves deploying Dutch planes to eastern Europe, close to Russian AA systems for example.
What about replacement parts? Just cut your losses & get something not made by fascists.
I have one question. From where?
Name the other countries building equivalent aviation equipment and platforms. So far as I know they’re pretty much all fascist.
I don’t want to be the guy to tell my boss I’ve bricked the F-35
Yeah… Fighter jets don’t really get bricked.
A brick is when you’ve messed something up to the point where the hardware doesn’t boot and the only possible solution would be to pull out a rom chip and replace it with one with factory settings, but that’s too hard and not worth doing.
But that’s the thing, with the F-35, it’ll never be not worth doing. It could be a $5000 setback… But whatever.
You’re assuming they’ll still sell you parts after you tried to bypass the locks
Except the US has killswitches hard wired in. A fusible link, irreversibly bricking it based on signal from the mother ship.
Either you’re talking confidently about something you couldn’t possibly know, or you’re risking the rest of your life in prison for leaking top-secret military info. Which is it?
Yes, but it can be wired-out
The way I heard it, it’s like hard wired it is thought, not like a part of the software per se, something physical in there they can trigger with a message that makes a circuit that bricks the unit.
We don’t actually know though, I bet if someone did find out lockheed would have their head and the news wouldn’t touch it.
Do you honestly think that all the countries buying these planes havent inspected them? Even if they were incredibly well disguised the chance of them being discovered would essentially stop the US from selling military hardware abroad again as it would be hard proof that they couldnt be trusted.
There is no reason to do that when, as others have pointed out, they can just restrict access to parts, updates and mission planning software.
You are misunderstanding the nature of these kill switches that are thought to be in there. It’s not going to be labeled, and it’s not going to be visible to inspection, but something no one would ever know if it never gets tripped. Thought to be a one time fusible link. Idk if it’s true, but I believe it.
Where is the support for this? I believe they would but as I understand it they cut cloud services, not core functionality.
It is a long standing rumour. Not just in these in a lot of their gear. I believe it.
It’s also rumoured, going way back over 20 years, that the us has kill switches in a majority of the world’s computers.
I remember working with an old dude 10 years ago who pointed at the CPU in a computer and said “the government can turn that off whenever they want”. He died of COVID so take his quote with what value you want.
Wow if its rumoured it must be true
