Antisemitic attacks are surging across Europe and North America as global tensions and the Iran war fuel more extreme narratives. Expert Milo Comerford explains why distant conflicts spark local hate — and what can stop it.
This is an article about attacks against Jews abroad, and the post is half downvotes. This tells a lot about what people think about jews. They can’t separate a fascist regime from a religion and they also don’t want to. People want an enemy and Jewish people are historically easy targets. For many the world is black and white and they need to position themselves on either side. They can’t bear ambiguity.
Now follow your reflex Lemmy, and do your thing. I spoke up against violence against Jews! This must mean I am a “Zionist” and I deny genocide.
So as long as only an ENTIRE third are targetted then it’s more or less even. /s
The Jew war supporters are not a tiny minority. You could flip a coin and have a better than half chance you chose a genocide supporter.
People shouldn’t be targetting innocent civilians, obviously. But the Jews outside of Israel could do a lot better to distance themselves from Israel, vocally and visibly.
Just like how after 9/11 muslims could’ve done more to distance themselves from the attacks, right? Clearly it’s their own fault for the rise in islamophobia.
Islam isn’t a race though, It’s a personal choice to oppress women. Would be more accurate to use Russians as an example. Evil triumphs when good people do nothing. Whether it’s their choice or not, they are associated, and have a responsibility to speak out against Russia’s actions
But the Jews outside of Israel could do a lot better to distance themselves from Israel, vocally and visibly.
This statement implies that Jews (no matter where they live and what they think) are one homogeneous group where each individual member is responsible for other group members’ actions. Even though they have no choice in whether they belong to that group.
Why the hell should a New York shopkeeper have to vocally and visibly distance themselves from the crimes committed by a country in the Middle East?
Because they are associated by default. Just the same as with Americans traveling abroad and trumps moronic and evil policies. And I’ve found that Americans typically do immediately bring it up and apologize. To not do so is to condone it, or to imply it’s irrelevant.
Yep, that’s antisemitism. Guilty of others’ actions by the mere fact of being Jewish. And hence some commentators here are fine with Jews being harassed and bombed for belonging to this group.
No it isn’t antisemitism. It’s antizionism. Israel is highly associated with Jewish people. So it’s a reasonable weariness that a Jewish person might support Israel’s actions unless they say otherwise. If any entity I was even slightly associated with was doing reprehensible things, I would be very vocal to anyone who would listen to me and explain how I did not support those things.
If any entity I was even slightly associated with was doing reprehensible things, I would be very vocal to anyone who would listen to me and explain how I did not support those things.
Good for you bud. But that does not mean you get to dictate how other people need to live their lifes. And if you just assume that every Jewish person supports Israels actions, by default. Then I hate to break it to you but that is antisemitism.
It’s not because they’re Jewish, it’s because as a Jewish person, they are associated with a large vocal group that is self defined by being Jewish. And that group is supported by a large percentage of Jewish people all over the world. Maybe that’s too subtle a distinction for you, but it’s an important one to try to grasp.
You are basically writing down the definition of racism
It’s just that in this case it’s not based on race and there is a speacial word for it because people have been doing it so much to this group of people: Antisemitism
Edit: I get what you are trying to say. And I am NOT trying to say you are an antisemite. But: It highlights how deeply engrained racism (am the like) is in our society and brains. We would rather do an insane amount of mental gymnastics than call it what it is: Racism
Yeah, I don’t believe that it’s the responsibility of Americans wherever they go to apologize for Trump.
Or Russians for Putin, for that matter.
I believe it’s the responsibility of a society to protect people from such group-targeted attacks.
I mean, too bad? You are associated with certain things. And it’s a great opportunity to constantly vocalize your opposition to it. If you don’t, you will be assumed to be part of it whether you like it or not.
I think the other way around. My hated of people is predicated on the ability of them to recognize and reject cruelty, apartheid and genocide.
If they cannot, I hate them, regardless of creed or religion.
Jewish people that don’t reject the genocidal tendencies of their kin can get fucked.
The aggravating item with the Jewish people is that they have experienced persecution and genocide themselves. And they’ve always leveraged that for special treatment.
This makes denying or ignoring it loaded with an additional layer of hypocrisy.
This is an article about attacks against Jews abroad, and the post is half downvotes. This tells a lot about what people think about jews. They can’t separate a fascist regime from a religion and they also don’t want to. People want an enemy and Jewish people are historically easy targets. For many the world is black and white and they need to position themselves on either side. They can’t bear ambiguity.
Now follow your reflex Lemmy, and do your thing. I spoke up against violence against Jews! This must mean I am a “Zionist” and I deny genocide.
Thanks you!
It’s really terrible.
Only a third of US Jews support Israel’s war in Gaza, survey shows
So as long as only an ENTIRE third are targetted then it’s more or less even. /s
The Jew war supporters are not a tiny minority. You could flip a coin and have a better than half chance you chose a genocide supporter.
People shouldn’t be targetting innocent civilians, obviously. But the Jews outside of Israel could do a lot better to distance themselves from Israel, vocally and visibly.
Just like how after 9/11 muslims could’ve done more to distance themselves from the attacks, right? Clearly it’s their own fault for the rise in islamophobia.
Islam isn’t a race though, It’s a personal choice to oppress women. Would be more accurate to use Russians as an example. Evil triumphs when good people do nothing. Whether it’s their choice or not, they are associated, and have a responsibility to speak out against Russia’s actions
This statement implies that Jews (no matter where they live and what they think) are one homogeneous group where each individual member is responsible for other group members’ actions. Even though they have no choice in whether they belong to that group.
Why the hell should a New York shopkeeper have to vocally and visibly distance themselves from the crimes committed by a country in the Middle East?
Because they are associated by default. Just the same as with Americans traveling abroad and trumps moronic and evil policies. And I’ve found that Americans typically do immediately bring it up and apologize. To not do so is to condone it, or to imply it’s irrelevant.
And that, good sir is what the initial comment is about
This IS antisemitism. As compared to what Isreal has been trying to lable as antisemitism the last couple of years.
Yep, that’s antisemitism. Guilty of others’ actions by the mere fact of being Jewish. And hence some commentators here are fine with Jews being harassed and bombed for belonging to this group.
This sounds like a ‘not all men’ argument.
No it isn’t antisemitism. It’s antizionism. Israel is highly associated with Jewish people. So it’s a reasonable weariness that a Jewish person might support Israel’s actions unless they say otherwise. If any entity I was even slightly associated with was doing reprehensible things, I would be very vocal to anyone who would listen to me and explain how I did not support those things.
Good for you bud. But that does not mean you get to dictate how other people need to live their lifes. And if you just assume that every Jewish person supports Israels actions, by default. Then I hate to break it to you but that is antisemitism.
It’s not because they’re Jewish, it’s because as a Jewish person, they are associated with a large vocal group that is self defined by being Jewish. And that group is supported by a large percentage of Jewish people all over the world. Maybe that’s too subtle a distinction for you, but it’s an important one to try to grasp.
It’s not because they are jewish
It’s just because they are jews
My brother in christ
You are basically writing down the definition of racism It’s just that in this case it’s not based on race and there is a speacial word for it because people have been doing it so much to this group of people: Antisemitism
Edit: I get what you are trying to say. And I am NOT trying to say you are an antisemite. But: It highlights how deeply engrained racism (am the like) is in our society and brains. We would rather do an insane amount of mental gymnastics than call it what it is: Racism
Yeah, I don’t believe that it’s the responsibility of Americans wherever they go to apologize for Trump.
Or Russians for Putin, for that matter.
I believe it’s the responsibility of a society to protect people from such group-targeted attacks.
The society is made of individuals and their small individual acts of resistance. It’s too easy to blame “the society”
I mean, too bad? You are associated with certain things. And it’s a great opportunity to constantly vocalize your opposition to it. If you don’t, you will be assumed to be part of it whether you like it or not.
I think the other way around. My hated of people is predicated on the ability of them to recognize and reject cruelty, apartheid and genocide.
If they cannot, I hate them, regardless of creed or religion.
Jewish people that don’t reject the genocidal tendencies of their kin can get fucked.
The aggravating item with the Jewish people is that they have experienced persecution and genocide themselves. And they’ve always leveraged that for special treatment.
This makes denying or ignoring it loaded with an additional layer of hypocrisy.