Even if you’re talking about chicken eggs specifically it’s still the egg first. The first chicken egg would have been laid by a proto chicken
But is it a chicken egg because it hatches into a chicken or because it is laid by a chicken?
Because it hatches into a chicken, you’re thinking of a chicken’s egg
“chicken’s egg” is the owner of the egg the chicken inside it, or the one who laid it?
Likewise it’s not clear that “chicken egg” refers to the creator of the egg or the inhabitant of it.Pretending for the sake of semantic argument that any of these scenarios were possible:
If an alligator laid an egg and a chicken came out, was that a chicken egg?
If a chicken laid an egg and an alligator came out, was that a chicken egg?But now consider, you know what I mean by the following phrase:
“An alligator laid a chicken egg, and an alligator hatched out of it”One who laid it. Yes it is, it’s the inhabitant. Yes. No. You mean alligator egg, not chicken egg.
“you mean alligator egg”
No, I didn’t. And yet you still likely understand what I mean, or get close enough to what I mean that it doesn’t matter, unless you’re being intentionally obstinate.
And what do you think of the idea that the egg is simply a phase in the life of an animal, that the chicken is the egg it hatched from, not just the former inhabitant? In this case how can the egg be owned by the animal that laid it if it is itself an animal?
Like the caterpillar is the chrysalis is the butterfly, the chicken is the egg.If it hatches into an alligator then it’s an alligator egg, so yeah you did mean alligator egg. I actually don’t know what you mean, because what you described doesn’t make sense.
And I do think think that, it belongs to that creature just like you belong to your mom and vice versa. If somone pointed at your mom and said “that’s PeriodicallyPedantic’s mom” and you said “Aha! But how can she be mine when she’s a different person!”, they’d probably just say “the fuck you on about”.
I honestly do not believe that when I said that, you not only didn’t but we’re unable to imagine an egg that by all properties confirmed to the expectations of a chicken egg until an alligator miraculously hatched out of it.
I do not believe you’re debating in good faith
OK but what did the first egg laying animal come out of.
Some non-egg laying animal gave birth to an egg laying animal due to a beneficial mutation. So the “chicken” (or rather, any egg laying animal) came first.
I disagree, i think a chicken is the animal that comes from an egg and then lays an egg (to start the cycle anew).
If the first animal you call a chicken isnt hatched from an egg then i think its not a chicken, but a predecessor.That chicken’s parent laid an egg though so it wasn’t the first egg laying animal.
Correct, not the first egg laying animal, however the first chicken was hatched from a chicken egg.
No, I don’t think I’d agree. Something gave birth to something with a mutation that caused it to lay eggs that we’d call chicken eggs that produce chicken. Itself was born from a creature that didn’t lay chicken eggs.
Well now i think im inclined to agree with you.
I have been defining it as a true chicken is the animal that came from the egg and reproduces the same animal in egg form.But if you were to say instead that the final mutation that created the gentically distinct animal we call a chicken, would still be that animal regardless of how it was created.
Similar to if a chain of self replicating robots is traced back to the origonal unit, its still a self replicating robot even if the first was built by hands.
