Which doctors are trying to get rid of the “concept” of addiction? What Illness is addiction a “symptom” of? What billion Dollar Industry are you talking about exaclty? If Addiction is a symptom and not an illness why did you spend this whole thread arguing about its criteria? Symptoms aren’t diagnosed.

The only one being fuzzy and vague is you

Because you seem to lack the understanding that no one criteria is enough to diagnose addiction. And yes the preoccupation and duration of use are listed as criteria in both ICD-11 and the DSM-5. Just because there is no set number doesn’t mean they do not factor in to diagnosis. And again how it affects your health and life in generell are obviously also criteria by which addiction gets diagnosed. But saying duration and amount of use are not factors is not true.

Interesting. How many times do I have to explain the concept of needing multiple criteria in order to diagnose addiction for you to understand it?

Well if you’re honestly not trolling…

I don’t have to think about what I’m saying because I know that this:

“doctors have to base their diagnosis on “I want to stop but I can’t” and that’s all.”

is not true.

Do you seriously believe psychiatrists only have this one determining factor to decide if someone is addicted to something?

The ICD-11, which is what is relevant where I’m from, states Gaming Addiction as a behavioral addiction for which one diagnostic criteria is preoccupation which is determined by how often you play games.

To be fair the DSM-5(American Psychiatric Association) lists gaming addiction in it’s ‘more research needed’ section and hasn’t yet determined diagnostic criteria for gaming addiction specifically. But it does have the behavioral addiction of gambling, in which preoccupation is also one of these criteria.

I don’t know what else to tell you other than that the information you have or where it comes from is simply not true, I’m sorry.

Lol ok. I guess that means you don’t have actual arguments or are just trying to be a troll.

Either way, have a good one.

I mean I know you asked this as a kind of gotcha, but yes psychologists have long argued that seriel killing can be classified as a behavioral addiction. Ted Bundy himself said he felt addicted to killing.

I’m sorry but did you even read my comment? As in the part where I explain there are multiple criterias that define an addiction?

But to take the numbers mentioned in the Post, yes, 16 hours of instagram use are an extremely strong indication of an addiction. If more criteria are fulfilled then it will definetely be diagnosed as an addiction.

There are more than one criteria by which addiction gets defined. One of these absolutely is how often you do something. How it affects you is not the only criteria by which the medical community defines an addiction, albeit one of them.

Heroin Addiction is different to Team Fortress addiction in the same way it is different to Cannabis addiction, they are all unique in how they affect you. The physical and psychological effects of cannabis addiction are going to be different to the ones of heroin and internet addiction.

If they were only defined by how they affect you, like you argue, then every addiction would be a unique type of addiction, which is not how we define them

Again at the core all addiction is psychogical. We don’t differenciate between them on basis of physical effects.

That is simply not correct. It is true that addiction to substances ends in physical dependency. But at its core all addiction is psychological. A heroin addict doesn’t relapse after two years of being sober because he’s still physically addicted to it. In most cases it’s about missing the capacity for emotional regulation. And people addicted to substances don’t get treated by physicians, at least where I’m from.

So someone doing Heroin everday is not addicted if it doesn’t cause any problems in life? Clinical Addiction absolutely does have to do with how much you do something (and other factors of course).