I get that, but the funny part is your first response to me saying “the left is really gatekeepy.” Was to immediate gate-keep a group of people out of your camp because they failed some purity test.

Now that a based civic take I can stand with. One of the main reasons I see myself as a Democrat and not a Leftie is seeing the sheer purity testing where the left completely screws themselves out of any and all political capital. To be honest, it seems to me most lefties just want to endless critique power while fantasizing about smashing the walmart they’re shopping at rather than change anything.

Fug 'em both.

Yes, immigrants drive down wages is the biggest issue. The second is if you bring in a large enough glut of 1 type of immigrant all at once (like refugees for a real world example) they can establish an insulated community and not actually join “the mixing pot.”

There are obviously a lot of positives and neutral points as well, but everything has a give and take. The biggest positive is that children are a pure drain on society but an immigrant doesn’t need schooling or rearing. They can simply begin working (for that lowered wage).