If you are saying it’s ironic for the author to do the same thing they are criticizing, then yes, you’re saying that. Otherwise, there’s little to nothing similar about them, hence my original comment.
I’m saying the author is writing an essay for a concept that can easily be understood in a sentence, yes. And I find it ironic. Not bad, just funny. And somehow this offends people.
It’s a lost cause on here, as soon as you made a comment that wasn’t immediately and clearly anti-AI you’re going to get dogpiled with bad faith arguments and downvotes.
The irony of people commenting in a post promoting human writing while also failing to understand basic concepts of writing, such as irony.
People not finding someone writing an essay in response to being annoyed at people sending them irrelevant essays funny is acceptable enough to me. I don’t care if people don’t share my humor. The absolute wall of defensive text I’ve received in response is also funny, in a discussion about an essay about the value of brevity. And so is the idea that any of this is pro AI while people complain I have a reading comprehension issue. I can also assure you the irony of how much I’ve typed is also not lost on me. Frankly this thread is about to produce a singularity of irony.
I assume you went to the “ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife”* school of irony?
Irony typically requires the things to be equivalent. AI writing is not equivalent to human writing, a private website is not slack and a comment about the detriments of AI is not equivalent to a work chat. The only common element would be essays, and they weren’t the subject of criticism.
And even then, the page isn’t nearly the same style as the essays they’re complaining about.
Maybe it’s a reading comprehension issue? Should probably ask some LLM to pick out the core points, maybe it’ll do a better job.
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*Alanis Morissette, Ironic, a song that contains as many good examples of irony as bad ones
I didn’t. The thesis is AI essays in inappropriate medium is bad. And it’s an essay.
My argument is: “The irony doesn’t hold because the topic is too specific.”
If the OP wrote an essay about how they hate essays, that would be ironic. But they wrote about a very specific type they hate, so the irony doesn’t apply any more, unless they had an AI generate it and posted it to their work channel.
It is hypocritical, bordering on ironic, to condescend about reading comprehension while ignoring the very thread you are participating in.
Weren’t you the one that pulled “They just hate that you don’t trash AI” from literally nowhere?
The comments preceding yours said the same thing I’m saying. Nobody ever accused anyone of being pro-AI or whatever, the whole conversation was about whether the different type of post in a different mediums qualifies as ironic.
Then you came swinging in, reading things into the text for no reason. That’s not even ignoring the thread so much as fabricating an entire separate one.
Oh there’s plenty of funny stuff going on and it’s not like the downvotes matter. I mean that poster using Socratic irony to tell me why I found something ironically funny was wrong was amusing in itself if incredibly tedious.
Yes, it’s direct structured writing supported by examples. I’m not saying it’s a bad essay, it’s just a funny thing to read an essay about how reading AI essays wastes the readers time.
Well, for one, it seems to be an appropriate place. They speak of essays out of nowhere in slack, this isn’t slack, it’s a site. Besides, the target audience (people sending slop grenades) obviously value verbosity as a virtue in and of itself, so it may help them.
For another, LLM essays are their own annoying beast. The material contributed by the human was contained in a terse prompt. In a slack, that’s everything I wanted, and the LLM just adds fluff and buries the meat in verbosity. Even “I don’t know” is much more valuable than wasting my time with an LLM essay hemming and hawing without any more clarity than we started.
I’m not declaring it exactly equivalent or anything, and what you said I find valid. The irony lies in what you said, that’s all. It’s a concept that can easily be explained in a sentence and is suggested to be posted wherever someone else posts an inappropriate AI essay. It’s just funny in the common situational ironic sense to me. People arguing that I shouldn’t find it ironically funny is bizarre to me. But also funny for other reasons.
Really though, I find it ironic as fuck to write an essay about how you shouldn’t post essays in inappropriate places.
Huh? How do you get from “generated slop littering is bad” to “all moderately long pieces of writing are bad”?
I didn’t. The thesis is AI essays in inappropriate medium is bad. And it’s an essay.
A human-written essay in a medium that is appropriate.
If you don’t understand the difference, you may be suffering from effects from LLM overusage.
In an inappropriate medium?
No, I don’t believe I said that either. Are there any other things I didn’t say you wanted to go over?
If you are saying it’s ironic for the author to do the same thing they are criticizing, then yes, you’re saying that. Otherwise, there’s little to nothing similar about them, hence my original comment.
I’m saying the author is writing an essay for a concept that can easily be understood in a sentence, yes. And I find it ironic. Not bad, just funny. And somehow this offends people.
It’s a lost cause on here, as soon as you made a comment that wasn’t immediately and clearly anti-AI you’re going to get dogpiled with bad faith arguments and downvotes.
The irony of people commenting in a post promoting human writing while also failing to understand basic concepts of writing, such as irony.
I mean can the pro-AI comments at least make sense?
I haven’t seen any, this was a comment thread about irony people are somehow seeing pro-AI in it for reasons.
People not finding someone writing an essay in response to being annoyed at people sending them irrelevant essays funny is acceptable enough to me. I don’t care if people don’t share my humor. The absolute wall of defensive text I’ve received in response is also funny, in a discussion about an essay about the value of brevity. And so is the idea that any of this is pro AI while people complain I have a reading comprehension issue. I can also assure you the irony of how much I’ve typed is also not lost on me. Frankly this thread is about to produce a singularity of irony.
I assume you went to the “ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife”* school of irony?
Irony typically requires the things to be equivalent. AI writing is not equivalent to human writing, a private website is not slack and a comment about the detriments of AI is not equivalent to a work chat. The only common element would be essays, and they weren’t the subject of criticism.
And even then, the page isn’t nearly the same style as the essays they’re complaining about.
Maybe it’s a reading comprehension issue? Should probably ask some LLM to pick out the core points, maybe it’ll do a better job.
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*Alanis Morissette, Ironic, a song that contains as many good examples of irony as bad ones
It’s an anti-essay essay, it was obvious that they were making a surface level joke if you’re not looking for reasons to be outraged.
It should have been very clear to you what they meant, since the person clarified what they meant 8 hours before your comment and that comment was, literally, 2 comments under mine.
It is hypocritical, bordering on ironic, to condescend about reading comprehension while ignoring the very thread you are participating in.
Their comment said:
My argument is: “The irony doesn’t hold because the topic is too specific.”
If the OP wrote an essay about how they hate essays, that would be ironic. But they wrote about a very specific type they hate, so the irony doesn’t apply any more, unless they had an AI generate it and posted it to their work channel.
Weren’t you the one that pulled “They just hate that you don’t trash AI” from literally nowhere?
The comments preceding yours said the same thing I’m saying. Nobody ever accused anyone of being pro-AI or whatever, the whole conversation was about whether the different type of post in a different mediums qualifies as ironic.
Then you came swinging in, reading things into the text for no reason. That’s not even ignoring the thread so much as fabricating an entire separate one.
Oh there’s plenty of funny stuff going on and it’s not like the downvotes matter. I mean that poster using Socratic irony to tell me why I found something ironically funny was wrong was amusing in itself if incredibly tedious.
It’s irony all the way down
That website contains two examples and five short paragraphs. I think this is reasonable
I don’t consider it unreasonable, it’s just a funny juxtaposition because the format resembles AI output.
Its very direct in its message
Yes, it’s direct structured writing supported by examples. I’m not saying it’s a bad essay, it’s just a funny thing to read an essay about how reading AI essays wastes the readers time.
Where do you think AI got its format from?
I’m aware.
Well, for one, it seems to be an appropriate place. They speak of essays out of nowhere in slack, this isn’t slack, it’s a site. Besides, the target audience (people sending slop grenades) obviously value verbosity as a virtue in and of itself, so it may help them.
For another, LLM essays are their own annoying beast. The material contributed by the human was contained in a terse prompt. In a slack, that’s everything I wanted, and the LLM just adds fluff and buries the meat in verbosity. Even “I don’t know” is much more valuable than wasting my time with an LLM essay hemming and hawing without any more clarity than we started.
I’m not declaring it exactly equivalent or anything, and what you said I find valid. The irony lies in what you said, that’s all. It’s a concept that can easily be explained in a sentence and is suggested to be posted wherever someone else posts an inappropriate AI essay. It’s just funny in the common situational ironic sense to me. People arguing that I shouldn’t find it ironically funny is bizarre to me. But also funny for other reasons.