(If you know where I stole this from, I love you.)
These two statements do not contradict themselves.
They’re all fine. You get used to one or another and that’s what you want. They all have issues and they all have boons. More often or not, it came down to either what your distro defaulted to, or whatever had that one feature you needed when you first installed (factional scaling) and you just stuck there
Could you please not excite cancel culture against a great DE?
Which one? The only thing mentioned by name here is gnome.
I’ll make a deal:
You stop including Gnome as the default DE on mainstream, newbie-friendly distros, and I’ll stop talking shit about it.
It is included because it is innovative, newby friendly (Windows and Mac are both more complex), It has efficient keyboard navigation by default. And it has pleasant, modern UI by default.
I like MATE. It’s Gnome with the bugs ironed out. It’s very nice.
In principal, Gnome is the archetype that we all seek in a desktop.
Ubuntu Mate sounds like what they call regular Ubuntu in Australia.
I like Plasma.
I know, real brave take
I love Plasma. It’s fast, it’s stable, it’s beautiful, it’s real simple and I intuitive, it’s easily customizable via GUI, it’s packed with great features (that stay completely out of your way if you don’t need them). Even the KDE apps are awesome across the board.
It’s all down to preference, yadda yadda, but I honestly don’t understand why someone would use something like Cinnamon, XFCE or, god forbid, GN*ME instead of KDE Plasma.
That being said, just use what you wanna use.
I honestly don’t understand why someone would use something like Cinnamon, XFCE or, god forbid, GN*ME instead of KDE Plasma.
RAM usage. I sometime restore machines that just wouldn’t handle KDE. While GNOME is as heavy as KDE, cinnamon is lighter and xfce even more. An average finished KDE setup eats 4GB for me while a cinnamon one uses 1,5GB and an XFCE one 0,5GB. This makes KDE close to unusable on older 2 or 4GB systems.
Great point!
Might be especially important going forward unfortunately
I tried to use linux on a tablet, I’ve tried GNOME multiple times since it is apparently the best for touchscreen-only devices. This was hell.
As much as I’d love to be able to like that thing I just can’t.
Zero customisability, everything has to be changed through extensions, but the extension manager isn’t even part of GNOME’s core and has to be installed separately.
The settings page is severely lacking so I had to configure everything in .conf files or through CLI directly.
And the whole thing is as stable as a one-legged chair on top of a unbalanced washing machine.
KDE extension crashing : “oupsie a part of your desktop crashed and restarted as fast as possible, hope you didn’t notice”
GNOME extension crashing : “go fuck yourself, I burned your whole session to the ground, log back in and pray you weren’t doing anything worth saving”
In the end I customized KDE to look and behave like GNOME, this way around was surprisingly easier than just making GNOME bearable.
Oh and to the taskbar haters out there : my first computer was running windows 95 so you’ll be taking my taskbar from my cold dead hands, only KDE let me fulfill my dream of putting taskbars absolutely everywhere (even got two perpendicular ones on my bottom monitor)
I used a few different OSs before Windows 95 and I have also used a taskbar for the past 30 years. It’s just a design that I like. It’s like I feel grounded or something.
I just use a single taskbar at the bottom of my left-most monitor though. I ain’t all fancy like you!
KDE: “I just blue myself”
Just use any Linux distro you like!
Stock Ubuntu with GNOME
I got to take this baby from 999 to 1K
I think the key is to just not hate on someone else for having a preference for one you don’t care for. (And not being an overzealous missionary for your own preference.) It’s fun seeing the variety and people geeking out about the little intricacies they love about their favorites
That’s the right take. Every couple years I’ve given KDE a shot for a month and it just won’t click no matter how much I configure it, this goes back pre plasma. I dislike gnome but it’s closer to what I want out of the box, then popos came along and I realized I just wanted a tiling wm all along but needed the hybrid approach to enjoy adjusting.
That’s just a good approach to life in general.
I don’t get the gnome hate, it’s my favorite
If it happens to be exactly what you want, then you’re golden. If not, you have a fight on your hands.
Yeah I don’t bother trying to customize any of them
I like gnome DE, I dislike the arrogance of the project team.
My straw was the login-to-exposé thing.
It was (and still is) the default input focus to the Search box on the Save dialog. Why? Just… why? Why would I ever want to start typing in the Search box when I’m saving a file. I have never, ever thought to myself as I saved something that I should search for something to name this thing I’m saving after something else somewhere on this filesystem.
Why? Just… why?
Any time you ask the Gnome devs this, you can expect the answer to be “elegance”. And then they block you.
Can you elaborate for the curious? I tried searching but couldn’t find anything. What’s the login to exposé thing?
Once upon a time, when you logged in you arrived at the desktop. Then typically you’d click a docked application icon or use the hot corner to open the overview (Apple calls it exposé on macOS) and search for an application to start. Some people would just hit the keyboard shortcut and start typing an application name. Very quick.
One day, the gnome team decided that since a lot of people do this, that immediately after logging in you’d arrive directly at this overview/exposé mode ready to type an app name.
Quite a few people didn’t like this change, and requested a setting so they could enable/disable it as was their preference. The response from the gnome team was essentially ‘get fucked’ enshrouded by weak/nonsense justifications for the change and for not making it optional, apparently taking the request as some kind of personal attack.
It was a trivial minor change but the way the team handled it was… lacking.
Yeah, that sounds exactly like the GNOME3 team.
For years, they fought back against giving users the option to change where their dock is, forcing them to be stuck with an asinine vertical dock because “vertical space is at a premium.”
They do this because they’re lazy and incompetent. They simply do not want more work for themselves and will browbeat any of their users into doing things the “stupid gnome3 way.”
Their designers are some of the dumbest people in the industry. Since they have a yes-man/echo chamber culture, they don’t ever get to learn from their mistakes because nobody holds them accountable for failure.
I like gnome and it’s philosophy 😬
There’s plenty of “customizability” friendly options out there. I like how gnome isn’t afraid to break things to improve
Gnome haven’t “improved” anything since gnome 2. Gnome 3 and above? Only downhill from there.
They thought they were doing opinionated design while all they really did was ignore valid user concerns
This made me laugh more than it should have. It perfectly captures how we all try to be neutral… until that one preference slips out. Classic moment.
Gnome is very competently made except it’s made for a different genre of person to me, and their attitude towards customisation is outright disdainful. You install an extension or mess around in tweaks and gnome looks at you like you just used the salad fork for seafood.
I think it’s made for people who like Macs or sth.
Wouldn’t be a problem(people can use whatever makes them happy) if the gnome Devs shit attitude didn’t trickle outwards and harm customizability in other environments.
Serious question. Why is there an expectation that your DE should be customizable? Isn’t the fact that you can choose one in the first place a customization?
I don’t care much about whether gnome is customizable, if people like it then great, but I hate how they’re forcong terrible patterns that often break other DEs (window decorations)
Why is there an expectation that your DE should be customizable?
Why wouldn’t there be? It’s Linux. Everything should be customizable.
And it is. If you don’t like it fork it
Because the point of Linux is I get to make it my own
If I wanted to use what the Devs tell me is the right setup and “just works”, I’d not own a computer at all. I’d just get an iPad, which has that appliance like “no options, just does what it’s made to do, works great under those constraints” thing going for it.
You have as much customizability as you will take for yourself. If you don’t like it, fork it.
I don’t think you understand the implications of what you’re suggesting.
Forking a project as large as Gnome is a massive undertaking. Not only is it a lot of up-front work to implement the functionality, but you also have to stay up-to-date with all upstream changes, and there’s likely at least a few Gnome developers that are paid to work on it full-time, so that is a lot to maintain. And not only do you have to build it for your own distro, but you also have to convince maintainers of other distros to adopt it as well and put it in their repositories, otherwise you have no community of users, which means no community of developers either.
Forking Gnome is wildly impractical. It’s not a feasible suggestion to make at all.
Orrrr I can use something else. Which I do. Something that respects the fact that my computer is in fact mine.
And like i said. It’d be fine if gnome was gnome… If it stayed in its fucking lane serving the people that like it.
But the gnome Devs have a lot of influence on how things like Wayland are taking shape, so their “let’s turn Linux into iPad” attitude does in fact affect me.
