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Blue square is more like
“Eat a banana if you can, but no pressure”
More like you have to eat the banana here if you want to eat a banana
This is false, the signs are about whether you can, should or can’t peel a banana.
And a warning of a peeled banana.
Right! Obviously different from a warning for a hazardous banana peel:
And the warning sign for two unpeeled bananas, (really dangerous stuff)
Also, we import
allmost of our bananas from outside the EU.//Edit: I stand corrected. :)
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🤓 Ackshually one can get EU-grown bananas from the French DOM-TOM.
or the Spanish Canary islands. To my own surprise EU grown bananas make up over 10% of EU banana consumption:
I was once driving though one of the island (La Palma IIRC) and stopped to ask some older guy for directions. They guys says “yes, you’re going in the right directions. do you want some bananas?”. We thought he wants so sell us some so since he was nice to us we were like “sure, well take some”. The guy goes to his garage and comes out with huge bunch of bananas. We’re like 'eee… how much is that?" and he goes “no, just take them, I have too many”.
The Spanish banana industry must be fairly recent, as in the 1960s, the largest producer of banana in Europe was said to be Iceland, largely from a few experimental greenhouses.
It is not. Bananas have been introduced to southern Spain by the Arab Conquest. The industry on the Canary Islands is obviously newer, but was run as large scale plantations since the beginning of the last century. However the Canary Islands are probably African rather then Europe.
There is also banana production on the Azores (Portugal), including on the islands that are on the European tectonic plate.
Holy crap bananas grow so much further north than I expected, even without the gulf stream. Or wait never mind, the gulf stream apparently hugs North America until Virginia before heading to Europe. Wild stuff
A lot of, not all. In Spain, most bananas are produced domestically in the Canary Islands. Also there’s a small but significant production in the French Caribbean.
Spain does grow some.
It’s Your turn to eat the banana.
Depends on where in europe i guess.
Does it? Where in Europe is it different?
for blue signs it’s not the shape that matters. a blue sign with an arrow is always a must. circular ones indicate what you need to do in your current lane (eg “keep right”), square ones on a lane you could turn onto (eg “the crossing road is one-way in this → direction”)
It absolutely is the shape that matters. A blue circle with an arrow indicates you MUST follow it, a blue square with an arrow indicates you CAN follow it. A blue circle with an arrow pointing forward can be replaced with a red circle with arrows pointing in every other direction, because it indicates a mandatory, I.e. you must eat the banana.
it varies. france and norway have some square mandatory “keep <direction>” arrows and sweden has the aforementioned “one-way in your direction” square arrow.
No, in general the shape 100% matters. Rectangular signs (not to be confused with supplementary plates) are almost always purely informational, with the singular exception that you mention (“one way” which is regulatory). See also: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/regulatory-signs
idk if using the uk in particular as an example there is very useful.
This isn’t accurate. Red circle around the sign means the maximum allowed. Like an 80 kmh sign. It doesn’t mean you can’t drive at 80. It means you can’t drive above 80
So, you can eat a banana, but you can’t eat more than 1 banana.
So what this one means:
Maximum 0 pedestrians allowed?
you can’t eat a pedestrian
alno unironically yes. it means “no pedestrians”.
Exactly, it doesn’t mean “maximum allowed” but “not allowed”. “No pedestrians allowed”, “No driving over 80km/h allowed”, “No bananas allowed”.
if you parse the 80 sign as “keep below 80” then this would be “keep below 1 pedestrian”!
there’s a reason some countries have a line through the “no x” signs, i think…
I don’t know. I’ve never seen that sign in my life.
This is what we use. Personally, i think it’s less ambiguous.
A round sing with a red circle around a symbol typically means the thing in the circle is prohibited. The red circle around a car icon means “no motor vehicles”. Speed limit signs are the exception.
Well, i think road signs are not even close to as standardised throughout EU as we’d like them to be then.
A red line going across means it’s forbidden in Sweden.
It doesn’t mean you can’t drive at 80
I think it depends. You are technically allowed to travel at exactly the indicated speed (so the check would technically be ⩽ 80), but due to the nature of real numbers it’s also impossible to physically do. So in the most pedantic sense you must drive at less than 80 km/h and the requirement might as well be < 80.
To add to other comments, there are empty red circles around, which mean nothing is allowed but different from white bar on red background “no entry” one in that everything is actually allowed if you have a good enough reason to be there.
Yeah the red sign with a white or yellow bar through does absolutely not mean “everything is actually allowed if you have a good enough reason to be there.” In Sweden.
It means you are under no circumstances allowed to drive past it.
While the red ring and yellow center means “traffic is forbidden” essentially the same thing, with the caveat that you don’t need to expect traffic from the sign either.
While the red ring and yellow center means “traffic is forbidden” essentially the same thing, with the caveat that you don’t need to expect traffic from the sign either.
IDK about Sweden specifically, but there is most likely a caveat there that if you work or live in an area behind the sign, or you are a public bus/cop/medic/postman/disabled, then you are allowed to go in, hence why two different signs.
The key word being “traffic”. No traffic is allowed. Specifically no “engine traffic”. Not sure how to translate it. But if it got an engine and is in traffic, you can’t.
You could still walk past it.
Of course blue light vehicles go where they please during an emergency.
But anything that is considered traffic and powered by an engine is not allowed to enter.
To answer your last part. If some traffic is allowed, it will be specifically stated with an addative sign underneath saying something like “except permissable traffic”
Huh, interesting. Is there a red on white variant, or is it only red on yellow?
Because, at least in all ex-ussr countries, that are all supposedly Vienna convention signatories, red circle on white background means no entry but everyone I described in previous message can safely ignore it. It’s to be placed in like factories, residential blocks you dont wanna people to just drive through, during road repairs, in government territories like police stations and courthouses, and on public transit parks like for trolleys and buses. You can safely drive into, but if a cop catches you there, they will ask for credentials to justify you being there. And it’s not uncommon to see trucks on sidewalks and in public parks behind this sign unloading goods to nearby stores, which they are allowed to as long as they’re actually unloading and not just driving through, which is very annoying when they block the entire path.
And for places that are really pedestrians only, most of the time there’s a different sign, with a car facing forwards, with headlights and grill visible, like this. Still allows all the above, minus the “live or work there” caveat, so no normal cars or trucks, plus allows bicycles and horse carriages.
They’re all red and yellow.
If there are any exceptions or conditions for various signs, it will be explicitly stated.
Places with factories might have the sign with text under “except permissable traffic”.
As far as signs go. There’s no sign with red border you can ever “ignore”.
This sign means cars and motorcyles are not allowed. With the additional sign stating an exception “not applicable for residents and transports”
Fascinating. I thought the signs were a bit more standartized than that. From what I can tell those(red-yellow/white-yellow) are supposed to be the same sign, but with different enough meaning to cause trouble, ie if I were to travel through Sweden and stayed for the night in a hotel with one of those I’d go right in without a second thought. Not a fan of clarification signs though, as in the same scenario I wouldn’t be able to read them, it’s actually one thing I find very annoying riding around caucasus countries that all information signs are not only in different languages, but in different scripts as well.
