• reddig33@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I doubt seriously that this epidemic is a fiber problem. This generation is ingesting something we shouldn’t be. I’d suspect plastics, but we’ve been eating out of Tupperware since the 1950s. Maybe PFAS? Maybe a newer plastic formulation? A more recent pesticide like Roundup? Some preservative we didn’t start using until the 1990s?

    I impatiently await the scientific study that reveals the right link.

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      You might want to consider nano particles. I learned about them in chemistry class not to long ago. It honestly sounded very concerning. Apperantly they are even used in foods and can end up in the water supply. They do bring some health risk which haven’t been study too well as its a relatively new field. Some of them have been linked to cancer tho I think. Regulations also seem to be lacking.

      I couldn’t find out much about them, which honestly is probably due to my lack of research skills and low frustration tolarence at that time

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      Have a gander at 4 known digestive carcinogenic compounds that are used on american food that are banned everywhere else.

      Add in the known carcinogenic effect of over processed and fried foods we are probably on to something.

      A single data point but Owsley famously wouldn’t touch fiber and only ate raw meat all of his life and he didn’t die of colon cancer.

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        nitrates are in most cured meat, also celery salt as well if you are looking for nitrate free products, but it has celery salt, since celery acumulates nitrates naturally. some people can actually smell and taste the nitrates easily, its a very awful smell and the taste too.

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      teflon maybe? idk. maybe it’s a left handed type thing where now we notice, or we all just died and/or suffered and were just “picky eaters” before.

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      You’re going to be disappointed because there’s almost never any one thing.

      We know, for a fact, that lower fiber intake increases colon cancer risk. So if you lower fiber intake while also increasing ingestion of something that increases risk, well how do you say which is the right link?

      Oh, this goes with all the normal caveats of studies still need to be done, I’m not a doctor just try to stay informed, etc, but some more recent studies have shown a link between excess sugar intake and increased colon cancer risk. The sugar source doesn’t seem to matter so much as amount (so honey vs high fructose corn syrup doesn’t matter). We’ve been slowly adding more and more sugar to everything, at least here in America, so shrugs eat less sweets and more beans.

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        I have to say, I don’t think it’s going to turn out to be any one thing, but it’s probably a lot of somethings that are different for Gen X and Millennials vs Boomers.

        Maybe it’s related to eating processed food during some kind of critical window that occurs earlier in life (and processed food just didn’t exist to the extent that it does now when my dad was growing up), but comparing the current diets of most boomers to most millennials, I have to say I know a lot of boomers that have continued eating like America did throughout the 90s, while a lot of millennials began making healthier food choices.

        Like this seems to be at least one reason that the fast food industry is dying, especially now that it’s not even cheap anymore.

        I know a lot of boomers that have diets like my dad, and good lord that man ate bologna and other processed meats and foods non stop when I was growing up. He also smoked for several years. He’s coming up on 73 and cancer free so far. Granted that’s an n of 1, but it also seems there was a reason it was trendy for boomers to scoff at millennials for enjoying their avocado toast for breakfast instead of bacon and eggs.

        For people over age 65 colorectal cancer is “continuing to decline rapidly by more than two percent a year”, Siegel said, whereas for younger people, it’s jumped from the fifth to the first leading cause of cancer death since the 1990s.

        There seems to be little doubt it is hitting earlier for younger generations, but decreasing in the boomers that were feeding us the processed foods and also eating it over the same length of time we were growing up. Is it just because of screening?

        It’s also not like it’s only hitting younger poor people. Even Kate Middleton was suffering from it a couple of years ago. Granted you never know how somebody eats, but given the relationship between income and food deserts, I would expect income level to be a stronger predictor.

        Some populations are more at risk than others. Alaska Natives have the highest documented colorectal cancer mortality in the world, but Siegel said that, because the total number of Alaska Natives is so small, it’s hard to get funding to study why.

        Also found this to be really interesting. There are very high poverty rates in Alaska, but junk foods and processed foods can actually be cost prohibitive since everything has to be imported. Also would expect less fast food consumption in Alaska for similar reasons.

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          could be genetic bottleneck population? limited diversity increased for lethal alleles to appear in a small population.

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          Baked beans sure but I just checked the can of black beans and the can of chickpeas on my shelf. Only thing in ingredients is beans, water, salt.

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        Yup, multiple things often have effects that when co bined are worse than the sum of their parts. Like smoking is bad and obesity is bad but smoking while obese seems to be even worse than the two just added together. Plastics plus shitty diet plus massive amounts of stress are going to wreck people’s health far worse than any individual part.

        Plus Tupperware by itself with a moderately ok diet had the balancing effect of keeping food fresher as a tradeoff for the plastic ingestion, like the plastic lining in canned foods.

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      I read a study about consumption of processed meats a while ago as a contributing factor but scientific studies that affect corporate bottom lines often get buried