just to be clear, your problem really is about my attitude towards democrats
Thank you for that Ms. Strawman. I don’t think mls would show up to vote if we did have a group up left leaning party.
I will point that early on I did say it would be ideal to have our own party. Voting dem is more about a necessity since we as a group have neglected to form one (in part thanks to the prevailing attitude similar to yours that the elections don’t matter).
I also never said that its the only form of organization we should do. Just that it is foolish of us to ignore it. Which is why I am also reaching out to you to please encourage fellow lefties to vote as left as possible.
I also never said that anarchism was a bad thing or undesirable. I did ask you for help in short term harm reduction. It seems to me that your lack of urgency is due to privilege.
Just look at how much effort I have to go to ask a lefty, you, to encourage others to form a party and at least vote as left as possible. It is toxic behavior on your part to push back on what you broadly agree with and tear down the coalitions we have. J Edgar Hoover couldn’t have done better if he trained agentes himself.
I don’t think mls would show up to vote if we did have a group up left leaning party.
I knew plenty of MLs who did vote for PSL in the last few elections, just feels like you’re dealing in caricatures.
It seems to me that your lack of urgency is due to privilege.
What lack of urgency and privilege? I’ve been plenty impacted by this government, I even had a person I knew through housing organizing get taken by ICE last year. I don’t see the democrats as credible ‘harm reduction’. they are useless at best, co-conspirators at worst.
Just look at how much effort I have to go to ask a lefty, you, to encourage others to form a party and at least vote as left as possible.
I already said it’s minimum civic engagement, I even vote in municipal elections and try to get comrades to at least vote in those because they’re decided by like a hundred people. Whatever you’re arguing against, it’s not my position.
J Edgar Hoover couldn’t have done better if he trained agentes himself
if you’re going to accuse me of that, my observation is that the only one doing freelance fed work in this conversation is you
It’s good to hear. from re-reading this exchange I don’t even think our practical positions are particularly different, we were talking past each other and have different electoral environments
wow it’s almost like that’s been my position all along, and it’s not mutually exclusive with thinking that democrats are genocidal warmongers.
just to be clear, your problem really is about my attitude towards democrats
Thank you for that Ms. Strawman. I don’t think mls would show up to vote if we did have a group up left leaning party.
I will point that early on I did say it would be ideal to have our own party. Voting dem is more about a necessity since we as a group have neglected to form one (in part thanks to the prevailing attitude similar to yours that the elections don’t matter).
I also never said that its the only form of organization we should do. Just that it is foolish of us to ignore it. Which is why I am also reaching out to you to please encourage fellow lefties to vote as left as possible.
I also never said that anarchism was a bad thing or undesirable. I did ask you for help in short term harm reduction. It seems to me that your lack of urgency is due to privilege.
Just look at how much effort I have to go to ask a lefty, you, to encourage others to form a party and at least vote as left as possible. It is toxic behavior on your part to push back on what you broadly agree with and tear down the coalitions we have. J Edgar Hoover couldn’t have done better if he trained agentes himself.
I knew plenty of MLs who did vote for PSL in the last few elections, just feels like you’re dealing in caricatures.
What lack of urgency and privilege? I’ve been plenty impacted by this government, I even had a person I knew through housing organizing get taken by ICE last year. I don’t see the democrats as credible ‘harm reduction’. they are useless at best, co-conspirators at worst.
I already said it’s minimum civic engagement, I even vote in municipal elections and try to get comrades to at least vote in those because they’re decided by like a hundred people. Whatever you’re arguing against, it’s not my position.
if you’re going to accuse me of that, my observation is that the only one doing freelance fed work in this conversation is you
The kind were you are so dismissive about building out our options and growing progressive politics. Particularly in regards to voting.
And I’ve spoken to many that are dismissive and taunting about just not doing so.
Which is why we should vote as left as possible. Particularly in primaries. Ideally have our own party running.
Great. It does not seem like it. It reads like you would do the opposite.
as we’ve already established you’re barely reading anything I’m saying
are you going to vote PSL if they’re on the ballot for you?
I said that voting isn’t organizing. it’s not something that leads a movement, it follows a movement.
I happen to be in one of the last places they might show up. That said, if they were I would vote in their primary and again for them in the general.
sounds like we’re in agreement on that at least then
And we can move forward together there. I’ll always vote as left as possible.
It’s good to hear. from re-reading this exchange I don’t even think our practical positions are particularly different, we were talking past each other and have different electoral environments