I mean, as a European: have you visited the US and noticed that they don’t even include tax within the price (meaning you’ll pay more at checkout since that’s where it only appears)? It’s ridiculous, most countries include VAT within the price of their goods and services but. At least within the EU, VAT is included within the price making it final without any arithmetic.
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As an American, visiting the EU confused me so much because I expected the taxes to be confusing since I saw VAT (acronym not used here) everywhere. In US Tax varies on sales items from place to place but is consistent enough if you aren’t moving around that you learn the general average of tax added. It is annoying but you do see the total before you pay. It’s not completely blind. Just anti-consumer probably sold to my grandparents as pro-business
It’s easy to understand. It’s all ticketmaster
Never been to the US but I’ve worked with software where tax had to be set up per country. The US was something else. It’s different per state, area, city. Weird taxes like “we’re gonna build a new stadium tax”. I really wonder how people work with that in real life. Do you go to the register, have it scanned and then decide if the price is worth it?
I think it’s illegal in Europe to list prices excluding VAT, I know for sure it is in my home country Denmark, that makes it much simpler as a customer in Europe than in USA.
USA is a country of lawlessness, and lack of consumer protection, where sellers are allowed many “tricks” that are illegal in EU, it’s not just the VAT, but also misleading labeling and marketing.
Here in Sweden you can list with and without, since businesses can buy without VAT (technically they get to subtract the VAT on purchases from their tax bill) so shops which have businesses clients tend to do both while regular shops only list it with VAT
For this reason, in Norway, prices are always including VAT, but on the receipt it is highlighted what part of the price is product/service and what is VAT, so companies can get the VAT refunded.
Yes which makes sense, since businesses deduct the VAT anyway.
I think pretty obviously we are talking consumers here. I also stated consumer protection.Sure, but regular stores don’t have such listings. Everything is VAT included.
We have physical stores doing both. It’s not many, but common in office supply stores.
Yes, but I’m talking about regular stores. Not the kind that you visit for office supply and such. If you’re aren’t a business owner, you never have to think about VAT.
The amount of pharmaceutical ads are crazy when I’ve visited the US, sometimes with bogus claims. Their ad campaigns for pretty much everything is over the top since they’re using aggressive tactics.
In Finland businesses that mainly target their sales to other businesses can list with VAT 0%.
In the consumer market tge VAT is mandatory.
I think it is similar in Germany. Businesses buying from each other don’t have to pay VAT (so they can mark it as 0%, but it isn’t misleading either, because they actually pay 0%), so that the vat is only paid by the end consumer.
But I am just writing this from memory, so I could be off. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong
Exactly, something that isn’t even legal to advertise in EU, is aggressively advertised with misleading claims.
EU prices for consumer goods and services must be listed VAT inclusive, but price listings specifically aimed at exterior export or business customers can quote prices ex-VAT, as long as the VAT rate is also quoted and it is made clear these are b2b prices.
Which makes sense, because businesses deduct the VAT anyway.
I think pretty obviously we are talking consumers here. I also stated consumer protection.
And poisionous products to enhance taste and addiction.
Interesting how the format of your question is the same as this other user’s.
https://discuss.online/post/37515674
Edit: Aaand deleted lol.
There are a few other new accounts with a similar posting pattern that I strongly suspect are LLM driven bots.
I guess it is some sort of experiment how to drive engagement? And people seem to fall for it 🤦
Just had to say something because it’s been going on for about a week now. It’s easiest to notice the patterns on [email protected] sorted by new.
I see your point. Also … 2d & 7d old
Thanks for the heads up
American here (who lives in Europe). America has a system of sales tax, where tax is collected by the specific state at the point of sale. Sometimes, the municipality collects sales tax as well.
The US does not have VAT, where tax is added cumulatively along the production or supply chain. As long as the manufacturer is selling to an intermediate (a retailer or distributor), they pay no tax for producing the item (although they will pay a tax on their total corporate revenue, real property the business owns, etc). If they sell directly to the consumer, they must charge sales tax.
The sales tax is not listed on the price of the item. The reasoning is that the sales tax is not being charged by the retailer - they are only collecting it on behalf of the government. So the retailer only presents the price that they collect. Also, with the advent of internet sales, the price can vary based on the buyer’s location because sales tax is based on state and municipality; for internet purchases, the taxes are displayed on the checkout screen. This is the same in retail settings - the clerk will tell you the final price being charged to you.
States with higher sales taxes tend to have lower (or no) state income taxes. States with lower sales tax tend to have higher state income taxes or have higher taxes on other goods (like gasoline) or government services (higher fees). Or some combination thereof. Certain categories of goods are exempt from sales tax - groceries (unprepared foods), some medicines, and in a few states I believe women’s menstrual products.
Taxes and tariffs are applied to manufacturers and distributors only for international import and export.
My opinion: I think not displaying the full price is deceptive. I think not taxing VAT along the supply chain is a regressive behavior that places more of the burden of funding society onto the individual taxpayer while leaving corporations with lower tax bills. The US consumer is a bootlicker and repeater of corporate propaganda, so none of this will ever change.
I think not taxing VAT along the supply chain is a regressive behavior that places more of the burden of funding society onto the individual taxpayer while leaving corporations with lower tax bills.
VAT is reclaimed at every point on the supply chain except the final user. That final user pays the entire VAT. Europe doesn’t tax anyone else in the supply chain, as everyone else in the chain can reclaim any VAT they pay. The net VAT paid by everyone else in the chain is zero.
Even if the VAT was paid and not reclaimed, the end user would ultimately be the one paying it. Everyone else would just be passing on their costs - including that VAT - to that end user.
Sales Tax has the same net taxation on everyone in the supply chain. The difference is that the US doesn’t “pay and reclaim” the tax. The US just doesn’t pay the tax in the first place, except for the end user.
I have visited the US and yes, it is the stupidest.
For B2B customers, this isn’t the case in Europe, btw. At least not in Sweden.
You mean because businesses don’t pay VAT? In that case it makes sense to not include it.
I mean they do, but they can get it back so it’s not necessarily a cost to them. It does make perfect sense, I agree. Just thought I’d mention it.
It’s a bit more complex than that. They don’t pay VAT on business inputs (I think the legal wording is something like “goods and services used for taxable activities”), but they still pay VAT if the business is the final consumer.
US does not have VAT, so it is clearly much more straightforward.
It has sales taxes, though. And that’s different.
Canada also doesn’t include VAT in their prices, which - as a tourist - was quite nice, because the total price in euro was roughly the displayed price in canadian dollar. (VAT roughly cancelled the gain in conversion)
AFAIK, VAT is collected by each vendor at every layer in the supply chain. Those collected taxes are remitted to the tax authority. Everyone in that chain - except the final, retail consumer - can reclaim their VAT expenses from the tax authority.
American-style “Sales Tax” is only charged to the final, retail consumer. Everyone else in the chain can issue a “tax exemption certificate” to the seller, who does not collect the sales tax or remit it to the tax authority.
In both systems, the tax and sales price have to be disclosed separately. Under VAT, you have to pay it now and reclaim it later (if eligible). Under Sales Tax, (if eligible), you don’t pay it; there is nothing to reclaim.
For what I can remember, it’s because every state has a different VAT (and maybe it can differ from county to county), so it’s easier for them to display the base price and add VAT only at the counter.
Why would that be easier? They have to calculate the full price including VAT anyway. So why not when printing the price tags?
Because the sales tags are printed nationwide by companies. And local businesses aren’t going to try and figure out the tax by themselves.
Sales tags are stupidly easy to print, though. You can even do that with handheld devices.
Yes they are.
The numbers on them are different for every town city and state though.
In EU they handle this by showing a bunch of prices on the same price tag. You choose the correct line according to where you are located and the price stands there.
Not very difficult.
And, most.importantly, done by all US clothes stores that operate in at least two countries in the EU.
It can be done, absolutely. Those are a couple reasons they don’t though.
You probably meant to say “reasonings” not “reasons”, right?
And? That doesn’t matter if the store prints them on location. Printing tags isn’t rocket science.
And I’m just telling why they don’t do it. That’s all.
