“I’d rather whataboutism than admit that the country I live in, the one I’m attached to because I’ve been “loving” it like the rest of the American cult, is simply pure evil. Fuck black people, fuck the Natives that suffered my ancestors, my feelings are hurt!”
“I’d rather whataboutism than admit that the country I live in, the one I’m attached to because I’ve been “loving” it like the rest of the American cult, is simply pure evil. Fuck black people, fuck the Natives that suffered my ancestors, my feelings are hurt!”
I’m not American, so I’ll just ignore the first sentence. The 2nd sentence is on another lavel, as I haven’t attacked black people, native people, or their ancestors or my feelings.
I’m not American, so I’ll just ignore the first sentence. The 2nd sentence is on another lavel, as I haven’t attacked black people, native people, or their ancestors or my feelings.
Yeah, so the original post is clearly about the US and may require some US specific context to understand. What you’re doing is equivalent to me going into a thread in “Ich el” and complaining that a German language joke about German society (that I don’t actually understand) is flawed for not including Brazil. Or going to a “Black Lives Matter “ protest with an “All Lives Matter “ sign.
Everyone is welcome in the conversation but when multiple people are telling you that you don’t understand what’s going on and are being offensive, take the hint and try listening more and talking less for a bit. We all know that there has been slavery in many different systems in many different countries. This post was not about that. Everyone isn’t knowledgeable enough to make insightful posts about that (myself included).
I happen to know enough about the US to assert: the US currently has some deeply fucked up racial issues including actual racists running our government. The original post is pointing out that we should not be surprised since this has been a deliberate policy since the founding of the country all the way through my parents teenage years. After over 400 years of white supremacist policy, we’ve had about 50 years of trying to not have actively, aggressively racist laws and now there are dickbags on major news networks claiming that “whITe mEn aRe tHe ReAl vIcTiMs”.
My man, you have diminished chattle slavery and the American white supremacist attitude that runs deep in the country’s soul with your original statement, comparing it to things it simply cannot be compared to. It’s unhelpful and pointless, because the Americans have the power to bomb and genocide people, so it’s more than valid to just focus on that without saying “what about slavery in Brazil!”. Is the average Brazilian okay with white supremacy? Because the average white American, the Trump base plus the Republican-lite Dems and Libs, are, and they are wrecking the world.
AND YOU STILL HAVEN’T EXPLAINED YOUR ORIGINAL POST.
I hope someone’s paying you to be this obtuse, goddamn.
No. I have pointed out that there is a period of time that the post was about that focused on a particular time for a particular nation, and so ignored the WHOLE of human history that allowed slavery. Including today. Also, if I “diminished…American white supremacist attitude” that’s a good thing, right? They should be diminished.
Also, if I “diminished…American white supremacist attitude” that’s a good thing, right? They should be diminished.
They are trying to say that you are ignoring the serious issues that the US has with white supremacy. Your comment obviously isn’t taking away any power from the fucking Nazis running the US government, and no one is claiming otherwise. In this context “diminishing” means “disregarding, downplaying, ignoring”. They are saying that you are pretending that it is not a real and serious issue.
For example, in the US, our president regularly says wildly racist things. His supporters then diminish the incidents, saying that the President isn’t racist and we’re just overreacting.
The impact, diminished the impact of it. And much of slavery was basically “we had a war and instead of killing you, I’ll allow you to live but you work for me, and maybe at some point you’ll be able to buy your freedom”, it wasn’t all “Western powers kidnap countless innocent people and move them around the world so they can work and die as the inhuman beasts the Western man think they are”. They’re completely different things, and this attitude is at the core of the American soul, because it’s at the core of the Anglo Saxon soul, because it’s at the core of the Western soul (hence the resurgence of Nazi-adjecent movements and politicians in Europe nowadays, it can’t be just shaken off/waited out, they need an entire ideological change) and it’s the reason why Americans are so happy to bomb/okay with bombing innocents around the world.
This thing is not like other things, and maybe you’re just ignorant of it, but you shouldn’t be. It’s basically just the result of Western imperialism on crack and it’s not dead, the labels have just changed.
it wasn’t all “Western powers kidnap countless innocent people and move them around the world so they can work and die as the inhuman beasts the Western man think they are”. They’re completely different things, and this attitude is at the core of the American soul, because it’s at the core of the Anglo Saxon soul, because it’s at the core of the Western soul (hence the resurgence of Nazi-adjecent movements and politicians in Europe nowadays, it can’t be just shaken off/waited out, they need an entire ideological change) and it’s the reason why Americans are so happy to bomb/okay with bombing innocents around the world.
I’m sorry, but i think you and i disagree on what a slave is. A human being that is bought and sold. i don’t know how else to word it. It is not Anglo-Saxon, Nazi or any other people or political type.
Slavery is not a Western idea. Look up Korea and it’s world record breaking length of slavery. Or how slaves in Africa were supplied by West Africans.
This is not a Western Idea. Please stop working it as such. In-fact, fuck it, stop calling it Western. It’s just people. Horrible people, from a long time ago. Taking advantage, the same as other people were.
You are aware of the fact that there are different forms of slavery?
The chattel slavery of the antebellum US is uniquely bad in scale and brutality of oppression. This is clear to anyone who has spent more than five minutes studying the topic.
Living in the US means regularly encountering light skinned black people. The reason that most light skinned black people in the US have light skin is because of rape. Systemic rape. After the import ban of the early 1800’s, the U.S. bred its own slaves.
My understanding segregation in the US was actually about white people keeping their kids away from integrated schools (which is a nuance, it wasn’t black school vs white school - and a lot of it was in the south). Slavery is NOT a colour based system. Don’t get me wrong, it clearly ended up being one based on the the US outcome, but we are talking about Human slavery, it’s been happening our entire civilisation, not just the 250 years or so of US existance.
Good job revealing that you know absolutely nothing about US history.
My understanding segregation in the US was actually about white people keeping their kids away from integrated schools (which is a nuance, it wasn’t black school vs white school - and a lot of it was in the south). Slavery is NOT a colour based system.
Absolutely, categorically, objectively wrong.
I just saw an ad on Facebook recruiting volunteers to go through old housing contracts to find where they still explicitly prohibit Black folks from living in certain neighborhoods. It was based on Black versus White. In the schools which continue to be de facto segregated based on race to this fucking day, it is based on race.
Get your foot out of your mouth and pick up a basic history textbook.
That’s not me. And you either are or for whatever reason you’re American aligned and as brainwashed/evil as them. But I can see you for what you are, lol, because all this time you haven’t even tried to make an ethical argument/explanation for your attitude. Oh well.
What is your point exactly?
I know you are probably not trying to sound like an apologist for fucking slavery, but I’m coming up empty on alternative hypotheses.
“I’d rather whataboutism than admit that the country I live in, the one I’m attached to because I’ve been “loving” it like the rest of the American cult, is simply pure evil. Fuck black people, fuck the Natives that suffered my ancestors, my feelings are hurt!”
This childish outburst doesn’t help.
?
Explain what you meant previously. Try to be honest, it won’t kill you.
OK.
So…
I’m not American, so I’ll just ignore the first sentence. The 2nd sentence is on another lavel, as I haven’t attacked black people, native people, or their ancestors or my feelings.
Are you ok?
Yeah, so the original post is clearly about the US and may require some US specific context to understand. What you’re doing is equivalent to me going into a thread in “Ich el” and complaining that a German language joke about German society (that I don’t actually understand) is flawed for not including Brazil. Or going to a “Black Lives Matter “ protest with an “All Lives Matter “ sign.
Everyone is welcome in the conversation but when multiple people are telling you that you don’t understand what’s going on and are being offensive, take the hint and try listening more and talking less for a bit. We all know that there has been slavery in many different systems in many different countries. This post was not about that. Everyone isn’t knowledgeable enough to make insightful posts about that (myself included).
I happen to know enough about the US to assert: the US currently has some deeply fucked up racial issues including actual racists running our government. The original post is pointing out that we should not be surprised since this has been a deliberate policy since the founding of the country all the way through my parents teenage years. After over 400 years of white supremacist policy, we’ve had about 50 years of trying to not have actively, aggressively racist laws and now there are dickbags on major news networks claiming that “whITe mEn aRe tHe ReAl vIcTiMs”.
Fair point, well made.
My man, you have diminished chattle slavery and the American white supremacist attitude that runs deep in the country’s soul with your original statement, comparing it to things it simply cannot be compared to. It’s unhelpful and pointless, because the Americans have the power to bomb and genocide people, so it’s more than valid to just focus on that without saying “what about slavery in Brazil!”. Is the average Brazilian okay with white supremacy? Because the average white American, the Trump base plus the Republican-lite Dems and Libs, are, and they are wrecking the world.
AND YOU STILL HAVEN’T EXPLAINED YOUR ORIGINAL POST.
I hope someone’s paying you to be this obtuse, goddamn.
No. I have pointed out that there is a period of time that the post was about that focused on a particular time for a particular nation, and so ignored the WHOLE of human history that allowed slavery. Including today. Also, if I “diminished…American white supremacist attitude” that’s a good thing, right? They should be diminished.
They are trying to say that you are ignoring the serious issues that the US has with white supremacy. Your comment obviously isn’t taking away any power from the fucking Nazis running the US government, and no one is claiming otherwise. In this context “diminishing” means “disregarding, downplaying, ignoring”. They are saying that you are pretending that it is not a real and serious issue.
For example, in the US, our president regularly says wildly racist things. His supporters then diminish the incidents, saying that the President isn’t racist and we’re just overreacting.
The impact, diminished the impact of it. And much of slavery was basically “we had a war and instead of killing you, I’ll allow you to live but you work for me, and maybe at some point you’ll be able to buy your freedom”, it wasn’t all “Western powers kidnap countless innocent people and move them around the world so they can work and die as the inhuman beasts the Western man think they are”. They’re completely different things, and this attitude is at the core of the American soul, because it’s at the core of the Anglo Saxon soul, because it’s at the core of the Western soul (hence the resurgence of Nazi-adjecent movements and politicians in Europe nowadays, it can’t be just shaken off/waited out, they need an entire ideological change) and it’s the reason why Americans are so happy to bomb/okay with bombing innocents around the world.
This thing is not like other things, and maybe you’re just ignorant of it, but you shouldn’t be. It’s basically just the result of Western imperialism on crack and it’s not dead, the labels have just changed.
What does this mean?
I’m sorry, but i think you and i disagree on what a slave is. A human being that is bought and sold. i don’t know how else to word it. It is not Anglo-Saxon, Nazi or any other people or political type.
Slavery is not a Western idea. Look up Korea and it’s world record breaking length of slavery. Or how slaves in Africa were supplied by West Africans.
This is not a Western Idea. Please stop working it as such. In-fact, fuck it, stop calling it Western. It’s just people. Horrible people, from a long time ago. Taking advantage, the same as other people were.
People should stop hyper-focusing on specifics like this, instead, look at the macroscopic view.
You are aware of the fact that there are different forms of slavery?
The chattel slavery of the antebellum US is uniquely bad in scale and brutality of oppression. This is clear to anyone who has spent more than five minutes studying the topic.
Living in the US means regularly encountering light skinned black people. The reason that most light skinned black people in the US have light skin is because of rape. Systemic rape. After the import ban of the early 1800’s, the U.S. bred its own slaves.
Apologies, but I don’t understand what the colour of skin has in relation to this post?
Slavery in the US WAS BASED ON THE COLOR OF PEOPLE’S SKIN. As was SEGREGATION.
Are you not capable of reading or do you just lack any knowledge of the basic history you are trying to argue about?
My understanding segregation in the US was actually about white people keeping their kids away from integrated schools (which is a nuance, it wasn’t black school vs white school - and a lot of it was in the south). Slavery is NOT a colour based system. Don’t get me wrong, it clearly ended up being one based on the the US outcome, but we are talking about Human slavery, it’s been happening our entire civilisation, not just the 250 years or so of US existance.
Good job revealing that you know absolutely nothing about US history.
Absolutely, categorically, objectively wrong.
I just saw an ad on Facebook recruiting volunteers to go through old housing contracts to find where they still explicitly prohibit Black folks from living in certain neighborhoods. It was based on Black versus White. In the schools which continue to be de facto segregated based on race to this fucking day, it is based on race.
Get your foot out of your mouth and pick up a basic history textbook.
Dude, this is not a me problem. It’s 100% a you problem.
I don’t have a problem. I have an opinion.
And a serious issue expressing it clearly.
Which part of my opinion is unclear?
Your “opinion” is evidence of your problem. You’re not alone though, that’s probably the average American reaction to being told their truths.
But you said it was unclear. I also didn’t say I was American.
That’s not me. And you either are or for whatever reason you’re American aligned and as brainwashed/evil as them. But I can see you for what you are, lol, because all this time you haven’t even tried to make an ethical argument/explanation for your attitude. Oh well.
This isn’t a response to what I said being “unclear”. Let’s not deviate from the topic.