Europe is rolling out measures to keep data local and reduce reliance on foreign tech.
    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      7 days ago

      I trust that they’ll be complete push-overs when it comes to law enforcement and agency data requests without a warrant.

      Outside of moving data overseas, away from 5/9-eyes, I’m having a bad time figuring out how to obtain cryptographic control over my data within existing services. This leaves me to just upload crypto blobs everywhere with no real services to support it, or buying my own hardware and co-locating it myself.

  • IratePirate@feddit.orgEnglish
    76·
    8 days ago

    To be fair, I don’t trust European companies with it either. As the saying goes: “Where there’s a trough, there will be pigs.” Want to keep your data safe? Keep it.

    • Obi@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      361·
      8 days ago

      Yes, bit wary of these current trends that try to paint Europe as this holier than thou place where everyone only thinks about the polar bears and UBI, when the truth is we have plenty of capitalist sharks in our ranks that would be happy burning it all down for the next quarterly results.

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        8 days ago

        To be fair, we have the GDPR in Europe, which puts people at ease. However, this could be weakened or rid of entirely in order for the EU to become more “competitive” some day. Even the climate change goals of the EU has already been weakened so that we could catch up to the AI race. As sad as it is, it’s just the realpolitik influencing decisions.

        • Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish
          252·
          8 days ago

          The EU keeps coming within inches of voting for making secure encryption impossible. Chat Control would have been worse for privacy than anything the US has.

          • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            3·
            8 days ago

            Don’t pretend like Chat Control is ever going to get through.

            Each time they are going to vote it down, it gets retracted and changed slightly so they can try again. And every time it gets voted down again.

            Politicians know that they would get out-voted in the next election if they go through with it.

          • Attacker94@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            8 days ago

            Iirc they just passed something that enforced the opposite to chat control to stop the constant reintroduction of the same over reaching law

        • JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.netEnglish
          111·
          8 days ago

          And every year new open mass surveillance worse than the UK and US attempts to be passed and barely fails.

          GDPR also doesn’t mean shit if it is barely enforced against large companies or the fines aren’t revenue-proportional… Then it is just a cost of doing business.

          • CAVOK@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            8 days ago

            Let me assure you that in the large companies I’ve worked with, GDPR is taken very seriously.

            • jumjummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              7 days ago

              Unless you’re Facebook or any other social media giant. GDPR is just an minor tax on their profit.

  • chunes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    607·
    8 days ago

    Don’t kid yourselves. Once Europe develops its own big tech, it’s going to be just as untrustworthy. But at least it will be your untrustworthy.

    • mcv@lemmy.zipEnglish
      27·
      8 days ago

      For now, the EU has strong data protection laws that the US and China don’t have. Although it is true that stupid ideas like Chat Control keep popping up every couple of years.

      Ideally, though, you put them in countries close to the EU but not part of it, like Switzerland.

    • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish
      22·
      8 days ago

      It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.

      • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        121·
        8 days ago

        It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.

        That’s only the excuse the politicians are using. In reality there’s a combination of intelligence services and datamining operations pushing for scanning ordinary law-abiding citizens communications.

    • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      173·
      8 days ago

      I honestly feel safer with my data in a foreign authorities hands than domestic.

      China can’t do dick to me nor should they want to. I’m just a lil guy! The US does nasty things to its citizens on the reg, I don’t wanna be caught up in that!

      • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish
        7·
        8 days ago

        Yeah just don’t travel to China. Imagine how awkward it’ll be in the airport when they tell you, “sorry, we have all your porn history and we don’t admit folks with poop fetishes.”

        • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          8·
          8 days ago

          I’d like to think they’d be more accommodating.

          “Ahhh Mr. Albatross, we’ve seen your social media traffic and we’ve been expecting you! In anticipation of your arrival, we’ve prepared some lovely poop, if you would just step this way…”

      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        81·
        8 days ago

        they can do plenty enough to be worried. maybe they can not harm you physically (for now), but by having access to details of the private lives of people, their conversations, and being able to see how they form their opinions, they can use that information to determine how can they reshape public opinion on topics of their interests. this information can be used by themselves, or they can pass it to an ally, and it could be used to change almost anything, like interfere with elections, or further erode the need for privacy so that people are willingly giving up even more data to them

    • nasi_goreng@lemmy.zipEnglish
      141·
      8 days ago

      Europe tech often times are open source with commercial service.

      At least it’s better than whatever Google, Microsoft, or Tencent.

    • Hakuso@scribe.disroot.orgEnglish
      71·
      8 days ago

      Honestly, I prefer someone else’s untrustworthy.

      I don’t trust China at all, but I trust them over the US, if only because they have no stake in me as a foreigner.

        • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          8 days ago

          They are all in on renewables. The US want everyone on oil and coal, the US wants the junky to keep and dependency.

          We are the bad guys.

          • markko@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            7 days ago

            I don’t really see how that is relevant. Or how a country’s energy sources alone can determine whether they are “good” or “bad”.

              • markko@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                7 days ago

                I don’t think it’s anything more than short-term versus long-term thinking.

                I would not describe either country as “good”, but that has nothing to do with the above statement.

                • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  1·
                  7 days ago

                  The us focusing exclusively on the short term is what I like consider evil, and the stability of a long term-term focus is good.

  • shirasho@feddit.onlineEnglish
    511·
    8 days ago

    I live in the US and I dont trust US companies with my data either. They either sell it or are handled by easily exploitable systems developed offshore in India.

    So, in that sense I do not trust the US, China, India, or Russia with my data and avoid software developed in any of these places when feasibly possible.

    • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      6·
      8 days ago

      Even FOSS software? The Linux Foundation’s headquartered in the US.

      I do get the rationale, but honestly you could just change that to “proprietary software” and you’d have more options with just as much data security.

  • Wilco@lemmy.zipEnglish
    31·
    8 days ago

    I dont trust the US with my data … or anything. This place is run by literal idiots and/or criminals.