• paultimate14@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Ah yes, the “nuclear option” certainly must be somethibg the government can casually undertake without consequence, right?

    Just like how Lincoln lifting Habeus Corpus was a tool used for good and was never used for anything bad at any point by any future government?

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      2 days ago

      Liberal simps always like to bring up the fact that Democrats have almost never had a 60 vote majority in the Senate, saying that’s why Dems can’t do anything. Yet that never seems to be a barrier to Republicans.

      Can you imagine a Democratic president threatening to cut off healthcare dollars to hospitals that don’t provide trans-affirming healthcare?

      The reason you can’t is the problem with the Democratic party. Republicans are willing to use every scrap of authority they have. They find creative uses for using what procedural powers they have to accomplish incredible things with just the power of the executive branch. Democrats bitch that they can’t do anything unless they have 60 votes in the Senate. There’s always some other excuse for why they can’t get something done.

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        Can you imagine a Democratic president threatening to cut off healthcare dollars to hospitals that don’t provide trans-affirming healthcare?

        Maybe they’re looking for measures that won’t harm all of the other people in said hospitals? How the fuck can anyone be stupid enough to think this is moral or viable policy.

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          19 hours ago

          More specifically, this does illustrate why Democrats lose. You need to think of it more as a protest or strike. Sometimes grinding a nation to a standstill is necessary to protect rights, freedoms, or human dignity. Minority groups often have to bring entire societies to their knees in order to have a hope of having their voices heard. Every strike. Every disruptive protest. All are designed to force the majority to stop ignoring the rights and needs of the minority. Sometimes the majority has to be harmed to protect the minority.

          But to liberals like yourself, it’s completely unthinkable to you to risk harming the majority to protect the lives of minorities. But ultimately that’s what every protest movement has to do - it has to cause disruption. Republicans have no problem using the healthcare of the majority to hurt minorities. They know that people like yourself will go, “well, I’m not going to speak up, I’m not one of those people. I don’t care if they come for them first. I’m not one of them, greatest good for the greatest number. If the choice is that the hospital either stops offering healthcare to a demonized minority group or stop offering healthcare to everyone, I guess we’ll just have to stop offering healthcare to the demonized minority group.”

          Biden could have said, “you know what? It’s our job to provide healthcare to all Americans. Trans people have to pay taxes just like anyone else. If your state is going to start taking away the healthcare from demonized minority groups, then no more federal healthcare dollars for your state. You can have federal dollars when you stop acting like filthy animals.”

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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      22 hours ago

      We passed bills just fine for TWO HUNDRED YEARS before we ever made up this “filibuster avoidance” bullshit.

      They call it the “nuclear option” for exactly this reason… weenies are scared to even discuss it. It’s not nuclear. Nothing blows up. It’s just a majority vote.

      They put it to the side whenever they want, since it’s a simple parliamentary procedure. Hundreds of exceptions. Nothing blows up.

      Put on your big boy pants and read about it, don’t be frightened