To be fair, it’s also inconvenient convoluted and confusing to non-technical users… So yeah it works and some people can use it and others need their handheld quite a bit to even get halfway.

The same problem matrix as. If you’re trying to talk about a discord alternative, you need to aim for the demographic. That is the bottom 50% of the bell curve. If your explanation needs to be longer than two to four sentences on how to use something, then it’s already too complicated and will never take off for the use case.

If you’re looking for a usable open standard that is reliable, xmpp is incredibly good. It’s just not a discord replacement. It’s a discord alternative sure. And a good one at that.

But again till the user experience problem can be solved. Like with most open source things they will never be average user friendly.

That might be the stupidest fucking statement ever.

Your basically asking if unicorns shit gold would you take the unicorn poop.

It’s nonsensical. It doesn’t reflect the reality of the situation. Anyone can make up b******* hypotheticals to make something sound bad. It’s still b*******.

Why the fuck would anyone give a fuck about the plutonium stuff? Kick starters, investment backing, and crowd funding are all standard ways to generate initial revenue. It’s a f****** company. It needs money to buy hardware in paper server costs. Development isn’t free and if you want people to work full-time on something you have to get this pay them.

He basically asked for $300k to start full-time development and Kickstart the company after he left closed development. He provided a full proof of service documentation in history of his closed development.

The only people who have any issue with the plutonium stuff are those who are either too f****** retarded to understand basic business or a too far up their own asses to think that everything should be free in life.

If you self-host you don’t have to pay f****** wild concept considering how many self-toast services actually charge you money for full service. So that alone is already one up on a lot of stuff.

A basic subscription is far more reliable than donations if you want a company to be able to actually function. A subscription provides a reliable income so you can actually plan your costs and budgets. It’s a far better option than microtransactions that discord seems to want to push.

Cuz again server costs and vitamin costs aren’t free. Remember FOSS stands for free as in freedom to do what you want with the software within the license not free as in it doesn’t cost you f****** anything.

If fluxer had come out of the gate with no proof of concept, no history. No explanation of the credentials of the developer. No business license and no source code on demonstration and just said hey. Trust me bro. I need 300 Grand then. Yeah it would be an issue. But lo and behold the reality is none of that’s true.

Could it all go poof belly up and a month time 2 months a year? Yes of course, small businesses die all the time. 300K is not a lot of money for a small business. Frankly, the fact he only asked for $300k is more of a red flag than he asked for money at all. Cuz he’s going to have to pull a lot f****** more money if you wants to do anything remotely clothes to what his goal is. If he had shot for a 500k 600k somewhere in that vicinity. I would personally be more trusting than him asking for $300k. Much more than 600k and I would start asking questions as that’s a little bit much for a initial investment backing.

Seriously, the more I look around on Lemmy the more, I think that nobody here seems to actually understand that s*** costs money.

Unlikely. They make for poor discord community replacements. There’s just too much complexity at the door.

Most things are looking towards fluxer as the replacement. Since it’s actually a discord replacement unlike xmpp or matrix. Which are alternatives not replacements.

Closest your going to get is fluxer. It unfortunately only just entered open beta. So the self host option while there… Is not simple yet.

Tho it’s on the road map.

It broke 100,000 users and growing. The $300,000 the dev raised with his backer Kickstarter thing really is going to get stretched thin really quick with how fast it’s growing.

He’s already had to roll out more servers a few times to my understandings too. Well, self-hosting is currently a thing. It’s still under active development in that really needs to finish up quick to help offload some of the load.

Honestly, once the mobile app is finished and the self-hosting is more stable, it’s basically going to be like the old days of TeamSpeak 3 s when everyone actually liked it.

But with all the modern conveniences and benefits of discord.

It is the only thing currently going around. That’s actually trying to be a replacement for discord. Keyword replacement not alternative.

Like xmpp is an alternative, not a replacement.

The ever continuing trend of foss enthusiasts having less then no fuckinf clue the FUCK normal people use computers for.

Xmpp is great but you are 100% right. It’s not a discord replacement. It never will be. It is court replacement and it is not trying to be a discord replacement. People need to stop trying to force it to be one. The same thing goes with matrix though to a lesser extent.

Matrix at least is trying to be a team’s replacement, which is a legitimate alternative to what discord does for the average user.

Matrix has a whole host of other problems that will make and never be a viable alternative. But none of them are technical in nature. It’s mostly just the fragmentation will nature of it. And how confusing it is to navigate.

At the moment the only two legitimate replacement options are stoat and fluxer. Stoat is a dead end and unluckly to go anywhere. While fluxer is only like 2 weeks into its open beta just released its code base to the public after a long-ass time of closed development. And barely has enough funding even with their Kickstarter thing. Fluxer has passed 100,000 user Mark already and growing.

It’s also the only thing that’s actually trying to be an app for your average user. It’s actually targeting the same demographic discord was.

Which matters a lot. Matrix xmpp all these other things aren’t targeting the same demographic. They are not trying to be a replacement. I mean, I’m sure they’re happy to scoop up some new users and help expand their reach a little bit who doesn’t want to see their project grow after all.

But all these people trying to push matrix xmpp and what not is like going to a construction site telling a worker. Hey, your pickup truck is old and s***** you should stop using it and go use this nice moped while they look at you. Like you’re a f****** retard as they have to lug around a ton and a half of materials and tools everyday in the moped. Why perfectly good means of conveyance will do the job better than the pickup truck as the purpose of a vehicle cannot fully fulfill the same role that the pickup truck fills.

This was voice dictated if the grammar is f***** up. Sorry my brain don’t work too good sometimes

That’s the thing, half of these are red flag that the poster is a sexist dude bro who needs to stfu.

But when combined with the other half it’s describing a very specific type of woman who her self is a massive red flag and a shitty person.

The sorta dude bro who dates these women are shitty people, but so are the women. It’s why they get together in the first place. Both people involved here are shitty people.

But here on lemmy pointing out a women can be a bad person is as taboo as pointing out a man is a bad person on reddit. Lemmy is just the other end of the extreme echo chamber.

But I’ve know a lot of women though my life that you could describe like this. They all in first meeting then would come across as rather self empowered and cool people.

When in reality they are just the non religious half of the Midwestern trailer trash.

Really it’s a huge red flag that the people in this thread seem to be a only able to see the “positive” traits here and claim the poster is a shit person and not the type of women he’s describing.

If your willing to be blind to the negative character traits then your just living a lie. The poster AND the women he’s describing are shit people.

He’s also likely a victim of baby entrapment. Considering the family court line here. It’s a rather real problem in a lot of poorer communities. Family court is wielded just as much as a weapon as it is a shield.

You would basically have to convince a few hundred million people to not use the internet for months at a time with out a single percentage of them breaking the boycott to actually even start to hit aws.

Countless things have to start failing before aws even starts to feel it since it’s not a consumer product. You basically have the drive all the companies using it to near bankruptcy so they can’t afford to pay for aws anymore.

Expect for you know the fact Amazon ran 40% of businesses out of business and covid killed another 40%.

Your option in the vast majority of the case is to get fucked or use Amazon/AliExpress which is just Amazon China edition.

Which is infinitely worse then Amazon. At least Amazon has basic consumer protections unlike AliExpress.

Yes. It’s literally the only one for the options thats an actual replacement to discord. Not some half shit fucked project that everyone’s trying to shoe horn into being one. Or ran by idiots…

We have loads of alternatives, but no actual replacements other then fluxer.

There’s also the problem that the current trend of open source decentralized bullshit going on is well meaning and has their hearts in the right place. But are so out of touch with reality that unless your chugging the Kool aid you can’t in good faith say anything is actually acceptable for normal users. Maybe in another 5 years and if somehow the foss community pulls some UX developers out of their collective asses. But that’s unlikely.

Even fluxer is months away from being ready for prime time. It needs more servers, better support for self hosting and just time. But it at least is actually trying to be a replacement and the developer behind it is actually targeting normal users. Not crack head foss people with no standards and more time then they know what to do with.

I love me a good over complicated poorly designed nightmare thats overly engineered as much as the next guy. And I do mean that legitimately. Tinkering is what I live for.

But fuck man… This is a problem that needs a solution that NORMAL USERS can just understand with no explanation. Which is something the foss community is famously unable to do with out a sacrifice of biblical proportions.

Fluxer isn’t entirely centralized. It has self hosting support.

It’s quasi centralized pretty much the same as matrix.

You can just opt to not use the central server for hosting services.

It hasn’t improved in two years. It’s not going to. Teamspeak developers are slower than Wayland’s.

Fluxer exists and is a near 1:1 drop in replacement.

It’s current only real problem is the servers are overloaded. But it has a self host option to bypass that very problem.

It’s more steam just does fucking nothing. Everyone is equally allowed to be as awful as they want.

Which means the far right who are the worse of us all, get to be infact the worse of everyone on steam. And because they are the worse they stand out the most.

Valve has ALWAYS basically been as hands off as possible in moderation. For the worse.

Gabe has always been behind this too. He believes pretty publicly that people should be allowed to say what ever the fuck they want.

Death threats, racism, sexism? All allowed. Just as positivity, kind gestures, and inclusivity is allowed.

Just the negative assholes are Infinitly louder then positive people. Because positive people just shut up and go quiet instead of defending themselves or engaging with the assholes.

Which to be fair is the right call you can’t beat an asshole at his own game. He has more experience shit talking.

Dota, counter strike, and now deadlock all are pretty great examples of valves moderation style even beyond steam.

End of the day Gabe is libertarian and has stated multiable times that valves moderation is based on his libertarian viewpoints. Valve is self described as a libertarian platform.

Agree or disagree it’s Gabe’s platform and Gabe’s believes and how he sees things. Your opinions don’t matter or hold any sway. Gabe’s are the only ones that matter on how valve moderation is done. Don’t like it. Then leave.

It fucking sucks but that’s the downside to private businesses. They can do what they want they don’t have stock holders they have to please and thus, they don’t have to please anyone but themselves.

So long as the service is consumed the how they run it doesn’t matter.

It’s not a perfect fit for anything that requires security. It was never meant to be a SECURE identifier. Just AN identifier.

The age old matrix problem, every client is uniquely shitty and poorly put together.

I swear the day a feature rich and actually competent matrix client is released is the same day gnome devs will stop having stupid takes and Wayland devs will stop arguing.

If you only get 2 hours of recreation a day then your life fucking sucks or you have shit time management skills.

God I would hate my life if I only had 2 hours of me time a day.