He’s literally quoting Marx… Is Karl Marx not left enough for you?

This guy has to be trolling, or we’ve just run into the most American lib brained person on the fucking planet.

Because you are not a fucking leftist. I have marched with socialists and fought successfully for people’s rights. You are a fucking joke.

I have also demonstrated with other socialist, and have successfully helped start unions in a right to work state. What is it about recognizing that gun control is not a going to be a obtainable on the foreseeable future disqualifies anyone from being a socialist? As I have said several times already gun restrictions isn’t exactly a leftist policy.

You are a gun nutter through and through. I am not going to listen to your cosplay bullshit excuses. You showed your true colors and there is no backpedaling no matter how hard you try.

Lol, guns have nothing to do with the economic theory of socialism. Especially when you are in support of the reactionary government achieving a monopoly on violence. Nothing you are claiming is a tenet in socialist theory. I haven’t back-pedaled you just have an insane definition of both socialism and fascism that doest reflect political theory or historical reality.

How exactly do you think people have seized the means of production in the past? Even people who still adhere to electorialism on the left recognize that power has never been transferred to the people in a totally peaceful manor.

You are ignorant of history and think the little slice you studied has given you some insight. Here is a wake up call, you have no insight. You are a moron.

Again… You are failing to align your criticisms with any examples or evidence of historical context. You continue to do nothing but make unjustified claims.

All you can do is trot out tired tropes like a one trick pony. I am going to bid you goodbye and I hope you do some self reflection and grow the fuck up.

Says the person who has done nothing but make rebuttals based on ad hominems… You have had ample opportunity to justify your position with the examples of history you’ve alluded too. You’ve had ample opportunity to explain your logic, or even examples of one of the many solutions you claim to exist…time and time again you’ve failed to provide any substance to the argument, or even address my rebuttals with an actual response relevant to the argument.

Based on the argument you’ve put forth the only thing we can conclude you believe is that anyone with a firearm is a fascist, including historical examples of socialist resistance fighters literally fighting Nazis.

Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.

The YLC-8B is an early detection radar, not a fire control radar. So even if they were able to track a stealth aircraft, it doesn’t mean they could effectively intergrade it with their prior aa system.

You are about as leftist as my right nut. You ain’t fooling me or anyone else.

Because, I don’t think right winged extremists should be the only armed citizens during a political schism? You do know that absolutists gun control isn’t a leftist political position? You’re just regurgitating the libs.

defense fantasy bullshit sorry.

Again… I never claimed I’m going to fight a military force like the right winged chuds. Mutual defence networks have historically been utilized by marginalized communities because the police cannot be trusted to defend them from paramilitary forces. The same paramilitary forces that are typically utilized by fascist regimes to do systemic violence against unarmed victims.

You want me to explain to you how the US has armed both sides of conflicts?

Both sidesing every problem is a lib reflex.

Yeah hard pass, try reading

Another excuse, color me surprise.

try reading something other than your gun manifestos.

Lol, like a history book? The ones that could explain to you the history of anti fascist resistance groups? Or maybe a book that explains the difference between leftist and liberal?

You are not a reactionary!? You don’t want to return to an imagined time before “fascism” took hold of the US. I know it is bullshit, but so are you.

Lol, I’ve said several times I’m a leftist… Which means I want to progress to a socialized economy. You are just lib brained.

Arming groups of people is not self defense.

I’m guessing you’ve never heard about mutual defense networks?

Arming both sides is a classic US fascist maneuver. You are so fucking stupid I can’t even with you.

Any historical examples you’d like to back that claim with? Or is that another topic where you don’t care to explain yourself?

I suggest you are not going up against Neo Nazi and that you are a fucking fascist yourself. Playing pretend defense fantasy scenarios in your head.

Yeah, It’s the socialist who were really the fascist… Are you having a stroke or something?

don’t claim anyone with a gun is a fascist as I live in Alaska where guns are tools not props for larping idiots like you.

Explains your education, did you learn about fascism from Sarah Palin herself or something?

You deny you are a reactionary now? This is so rich I don’t think I can take another bite.

Again, I think you need to look up the political definition of reactionary.

Taking up arms to defend yourself against fascist is not reactionary politics… Otherwise that would make just about every socialist revolution a reactionary force.

Again, you are being a moron.

already explained I am not going to waste my time talking policy or ideas with a gun nutter.

Lol, very convenient for you.

You clearly have done zero research and you have already given up anyways because you are a helpless loser so what is the fucking point.

Again… Not sure how you equate self defense to “giving up”. I will also again suggest you read Scott Crow’s Setting Sights.

Yes people have the right to defend themselves but arming gays and minorities is not self defense.

You suggest we are going to defend ourselves against neonazi armed with AR-15 with what, hopes and prayers?

You clearly don’t know what fascism is

Says the boy who claims that anyone with a gun is fascist… Even if they are fighting fascist.

My answer is for you to recognize you are full of shit and come up with some real non-reactionary solutions.

Leftist defending themselves against fascist…clearly reactionary. Do you even know the definition of the words you are using? Was the Soviet revolution also reactionary in your book?

You want me to provide you a unique solution to your situation. This is a stupid ask from someone who would just waste my time. Even if I did provide you several solutions you would shoot them all down because you are helpless.

Lol, you could have just said no. I clearly asked what your solution is to enact gun control, you still haven’t answered despite claiming there are several easy ways to go about it.

You already have your stupid solution. Guns are going to solve your problems. Getting people killed is apparently a sick way for you to justify your inability to see beyond your own bloodlust

You do know theeaning of self defense, right?

Gun culture is gun culture. I have seen gay men afraid to leave their partner because they know they will shoot them.

By they, you mean right winged extremist… Or are you claiming armed leftist are hunting quuer people in the streets? It’s almost like there’s a clear distinction?

We hear everyday of the needless deaths because of gun proliferation in minority communities. Go do the bidding of gun manufacturers. Guns are not going to sell themselves.

Again, ignoring the point that we are already in that scenario and that is the reason why minority groups require protection. If I could magically disappear every private firearm in the country I would, but magic isn’t a solution.

Were are a fascist society because we are armed. You are fucking clueless to reality.

What are you talking about? You do know fascism has happened in countries where most people didn’t have access to firearms.

Just another flavor of fascist pretending they are doing the right thing. Have fun with your defense fantasies and getting people you supposedly care about killed.

Again… I don’t think you understand the definition of fascism?

Pretty sure you would have called the resistance fighters in france fascists.

Pretending you are not engaging in learned helpless is pretty silly as it is obvious you are. Clearly you don’t understand what is really going on, and that is okay. Fascism is not new, not even a little bit.

And your answer to it is…?

There are so many good solutions to our issues and the fact that you haven’t even spent time thinking about them is very telling. Instead you are a reactionary.

Funny that you haven’t been able to offer a single solution? Or even propose how we achieve better gun laws with our current political make-up.

Guns will never make our society safer, if they did we would be the safest society in the world already.

I didn’t propose that it would. I am claiming that it can help protect small communities from the violence that is usually perpetrated by paramilitary groups to minorities in the advent of a fascist government.

I would suggest you read Setting Sight by Scott Crow. It goes through historical and contemporary essays written by successful mutual defense networks that survived fascist attacks.

have seen the damage gun culture does to the minority and queer community.

You have seen the culture of right winged extremist, not “gun culture” from left winged communities.

Pushed by those who are mentally ill professing perverse defense fantasies created by the marketing department of gun manufacturers.

Its hilarious that you can’t distinguish between right winged chud and people defending themselves against them.

Just another fascist cog doing exactly what your are supposed to.

Lol, yes the fascist famously want an armed population to suppress… You are a moron.

Yeah, this is just learned helplessness wrapped up in a pretty bow.

Lol, arming yourself against fascist is totally learned helplessness…

I just think you are either delusional, in denial, or completely ignorant of the state of current affairs in the US, if you think we have any chance of gun reform with the current supreme court.

What makes sense is dealing with the problem. We can’t regulate guns, but we can regulate bathrooms!?

The people who want to protect fun laws currently hold the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court which also have a very conservative interpretation of the constituonal amendment that protects firearms. They are also the same people who want to regulate bathrooms.

How do you suppose we enact firearms regulations?

Also, people are claiming they love guns and plenty love war as well. My daughter’s coworkers had a spirited conversation about how we should just rip off the bandaid and invade Canada and Mexico.

I was talking about the people in this current forum…

Clearly there is something wrong with our society and the proliferation of guns is just another symptom that needs to be managed as you would any disease.

Yeah… No shit. There are literallly fascist running the government.

I would love to live in a society where I don’t have to think about gun violence, that would be rad. It’s just clearly not the society we currently inhabit, and ignoring that fact does not make you any safer.

You might have the privilege of living in a more civil part of the country. I on the other hand am in an interracial marriage in the most violent and racist state in the union. So excuse me if I teach my friends and family how to defend themselves and build a mutual defence network among other minorities and the queer community.

People aren’t claiming that they love guns, or gun violence. The point is that gun reform is dead for the foreseeable future. And since we are all forced to live in a society with gun proliferation, it makes sense that fascist shouldn’t be the only ones with guns.

The hilarious thing is that the American voter is supposed to be thinking of themselves when he says “we”. I would kinda understand the logic of continuing the forever war as a voter if everyone got a fat check once we ended the Iraq war. At least then I could understand that it is pure greed driving people to vote for war mongers.

In the end “we” is a small group of oil barons who made billions while footing the multi trillion bill to the tax payer. Unfortunately this just means that the average voter is greedy, but to stupid to actually benefit from their own avarice.

My super power… Being to dumb to not be an ally.

All gender affirmation will be supported via my innate ability of being an oaf.

Great… Another year of me being completely oblivious and unable to tell people what year it is.

I think I have something akin to face blindness but for gender. Not too long ago I was in a groomsmen for my buddy and his sister was one of the bridesmaids. Im told she was trans, but I had no idea, and he ended up making fun of me for not being aware of it.

Like what do you people want from me? She was in a pretty dress, how am I supposed to know?

It’s BadEmpanada, he’s purposely divisive and has a bunch of odd takes that flop from one extreme to another. And this isn’t me being critical of leftist, the guy has just gotten progressively weird over the years. The dude is a leftist who also supported regime change in Venezuela, and he’s a transphobe. So I guess people contain multitudes.

The great thing about cops is that their favorite activity while off duty is telling everyone around them they are cops. It’s an all consuming lifestyle of being a bully and proud of it 24/7, so much to the point that they don’t really understand how to be a normal person.

“Just gotta cover my high and tight haircut with a ball cap and some raybands and my disguise is complete”. “Of course I’m not a police officer, do you not see that I am wearing cargo pants and/or a western cut blue jeans?”