All those Iranian citizens who think the U.S. is doing this for them… They’re about to find out the hard way what putting your trust in the U.S. is like, let alone Trump. You would think they’d learn from the last time.
Nobody thinks this. Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Iranians are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the US means, they had two of their neighbors go through it. They know it’s hell, but the thing is that the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil that if a war loosens their grip on power and opens up a real possibility for a new government, then it might just be worth it.
I’m Iraqi. My family lived through the terror of Saddam Hussein. The US invasion was hell. It destabilized the country and a lot of people died. Nobody recalls that time as a good one. Yet, at the same time, you’ll be hard pressed to any Iraqi that wishes the US didn’t depose of that evil regime.
It’s by design though. US policy has destroyed the Iranian middle class (you know, the exact people who would otherwise do the regime-changing). The whole point is to cause desperation and despair which they can take advantage of. It’s the same method that was used against castles and city-states in the middle ages.
Edit: as short as 4 months ago, the user above was referring to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as “the Israel-Palestine conflict”. They have posts complaining about leftism on Lemmy, praising the Cybertrucks and Teslas, and edgelording AI. Also, their posting and commenting hours suggest timezones in the continent of America, contrary to their claim of being Iraqi.
The main problem in Iran and the reason why protests broke out last months is simply US + EU sanctions. The Iranian currency imploded over the past months and drove many people to desperation, the current exchange rate is like 1.5mn to 1USD, and this is unequivocally the fault of the US + EU. However bad their regime, US+EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY in the world, the death burden of these sanctions is astronomically higher than anything you can ascribe to the Iranian government. The literal, EXPLICIT POLICY of sanctions is, and I quote official US documents: “to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government”.
Iran could have been a secular socialist democracy as Iranians democratically decided in the previous century under the government of Mosaddeq, but UK+USA conspired to bring the government down and brought back monarchy. The Iranian government is literally the fault of the Anglos. Stop doing atrocity propaganda for the US empire on the fucking verge of an invasion. And there are plenty of Iraqi who wholeheartedly condemn the invasion of Iraq even if it brought down the government of Saddam, because what followed was orders of magnitude worse. An example is Hakim on YouTube.
One of the most pathetic things about Reddit is that whenever an argumentative user is incapable of defending their views on their own merits, they spend a embarrassing amount of time digging through someone else’s post history to try to find something attack their character with. It’s just such a lazy and desperate thing to do because it demonstrates a shallow confidence in their own beliefs, and it also shows that they value “winning” an argument through fallacious means rather than having discussion where opinions are exchanged. I see you’re doing your best keeping that chronically online spirit alive here on Lemmy as well.
to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as “the Israel-Palestine conflict”. They have posts complaining about leftism on Lemmy, praising the Cybertrucks and Teslas, and edgelording AI.
So let me get this straight, you spent god knows how long going back months into my account history, and the best you could do was intentionally misrepresent my 3 of my positions and then complain about a single word that I used 4 months ago? Damn, that’s pathetic.
Also, their posting and commenting hours suggest timezones in the continent of America, contrary to their claim of being Iraqi.
If you kept digging a little longer or maybe tried reading a little deeper, you would’ve find out that I’m an Iraqi who’s family lived during Saddam Hussein, the US invasion, and then we migrated to Syria after an Iranian terrorist militia attacked our neighbor’s at the dead of night. We stayed in Syria for a few years but things started going downhill there too, so we decided to immigrate to the West, and the US was the first country to accept our applications. This is not the gotcha you think it is.
The main problem in Iran and the reason why protests broke out last months is simply US + EU sanctions
I’m not going to waste too much time here because you’re someone who engages in bad faith, but I just want to point out that this narrative is false. Iranians are not protesting just because of the sanctions, they’re protesting government tyranny, corruption, and incompetence. If it really was just the sanction, then explain the 2022 Mahsa Amini protests where the country went into uproar for 2 years after the regime killed a teenage girl for not following their religious dress code or explain their water crises where they’re threatening to evacuate their capital due to regime’s mismanagement or the 2017 hijab law protests. The sanctions don’t magically make the regime more authoritarian and incomptent, they just expose the problems that were already there faster.
However bad their regime, US+EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY in the world, the death burden of these sanctions is astronomically higher than anything you can ascribe to the Iranian government.
You’re going to need to source this. I know for a fact that you either made this up or you’re intentionally misinterpreting some paper that says something very different. If you can’t link the exact source you’re referring to and then show specifically which part said this, I’m going to safely assume that this claim has no substance.
Also, I find it really annoying, how you’re going out of your way to bootlick a regime that is this evil with some low level fallacy like whataboutism. “However bad their regime” my ass, It’s not a competition. Other countries doing other bad things does NOT justify, excuse, or negate the evil things that the Iranian regime has done or is doing. The only reason you would even do something like this is because YOU support the regime. At this point you’re not just criticizing the West, you’re actively defending the regime. You’re directly opposing Iranians who are fighting for their freedom and rights, and you’re doing everything in your power to stand with their oppressors.
The Iranian government is literally the fault of the Anglos.
Everybody acknowledges that the coups of the Democratic government were bad, but guess what? It’s not the 1950s anymore. We live in a completely different reality now, and those events do not justify or excuse the islamic regime’s atrocities against their neighbors or their own people. Like what is even the though process here? “There was a coup 70 years ago that’s bad therefore we should support and let this evil regime slaughter and oppress millions of people”, it’s an asinine position.
what followed was orders of magnitude worse
The US invasion destabilized the country, but the thing that made it worse was this very same Iranian regime. Their terrorist proxy militias are directly responsible for corrupting the new government, keeping the country unstable through violence and fear, causing violence by stoking sectarian tensions, and turbo charging minority oppression that led to the rise of ISIS. Like what the hell are we even talking about here? How the hell is ignorant Westerner going to try and lecture me about my own country?
An example is Hakim on YouTube.
So you’re example is a Marxist youtube grifter who carters to a Western audience? If that’s your source of information on the country then no wonder why you’re out of touch. You need to look things made by Iraqis for Iraqis. Go look up Ahemd Al Basheer. He’s an Iraqi personality who’s followed by millions of Iraqis and he’s commonly called the voice of the Iraqi people. He does a very successful late night styled TV show on youtube and DW called Al Basheer Show. Most of his videos are in Arabic, but he did do a youtube series in English awhile back for an international audience awhile ago, you should go watch that. That should be way more informative than someone like Hakim lmao
Oh no, a MARXIST voice from Iraq who actually lives in the country??? Damn, guess we should totally listen instead to emigrées like you who left the country 20 years ago and have been exposed to 20 years of USA propaganda!
Or should we listen to Ahmed Al Basheer, who streams from literal German state TV (Deutsche Welle)? Surely entirely apolitical and not at all exclusively funding journalists who geopolitically align with them! Not at all media stations endlessly defending the genocide of Palestinians in Israel! The fact that you claim that “the voice of Iraqis” comes from German state TV tells me enough.
Go ahead: if I’ve misrepresented your positions, tell me, is Israel engaging committing genocide against Palestinians? Should the current state of Israel be eliminated and the lands of Palestinians returned to their rightful owners?
Where do you base the number of half a million deaths due to US-EU sanctions on? Because I know the EU uses sanctions, but not (at least explicitly) with the intention of causing wide scale hunger.
The source for the half a million (actually 560k a year) comes from this recent study in The Lancet medical journal. It takes into account 50 years of sanction policy and arrives to that figure of murders, yearly, since 1971.
Good on you for questioning the sources, I love seeing people critical of online figures.
In specification 4, for example, US unilateral sanctions were significant for six age groups, whereas EU unilateral sanctions were not significant in any of the age groups. When we included the six sanctions indicators in the regressions in specification 5 (USA-based, EU-based, and UN-based unilateral and economic sanctions), we continued to find that US sanctions deliver the most significant effects
Not very familiar with how to read the data, but to me, EU sanctions have no really significant impact on mortality in any of these specifications that would allow to construct a hard causality; there is almost no entry for EU sanctions in table 3 where there’s a statistical significance, except for “Child mortality (5–10 years)” in Specifications 3 and 4, where it barely reaches the threshold (p=0.051 and p=0.052); in the latter, the UN sanctions have a MUCH higher correlation.
Not exactly sure how one can come to the conclusion that this is US+EU sanctions when there’s such a difference between those when viewed in isolation… that said, a correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation, e.g. let’s say there’s a civil war and the government gets sanctioned, then you do have a correlation between deaths and the sanctions, but it’s the former that caused the latter and not the other way around.
That said, I’m not disagreeing that sanctions can’t have negative effect on a population, in fact it’s the normal people getting hit first because usually the targets of sanctions will make sure it’s their citizens suffering and not themselves
What’s your point? “EU should keep sanctioning people”? Or “Sanctions aren’t mathematically proven to kill people even if there are extremely strong correlations and obvious mechanism through which this happens”?
Thanks for the source, interesting read. Makes me question sanction more. Haha, well here on Lemmy you can have a conversation when asking clarification, so thank you as well :)
There’s also the water issue, and that definitely wasn’t because of sanctions; and even if the reason for riots might be due to external factors, it does matter to a population how the leadership responds to it, and the response has been horrible.
Because water problems are famously well managed by which government? I’m a Spaniard, and I can tell you that our glorious European democracy™ has golf fields in Castilla La Mancha, and farmers in the vicinity of the Doñana natural park are draining the groundwaters to the point of destruction of the ecosystem.
Are people in Spain rioting due to the mismanagement of water? No. Would people riot if our currency suffered an enormous devaluation and suddenly we couldn’t import basic products? Absolutely.
Yeah because issues are always absolute and there is no nuance.
Yes, water is mismanaged in Europe as well and it will bite us, but we’re not currently at Iranian levels where they considered moving the capital because the potable water situation was so bad.
The proposal made little sense all things considered, but this is the level of competence the Iranian leadership showed in that situation.
Have you considered that might have to do with Iranian geography? Like, surely you understand that it rains more in Paris than In Tehran?
Also, if water management is your metric for government success, do you give your allegiance to the Communist Party of China for it’s anti-desertification campaign in the Gobi desert?
Have you considered that might have to do with Iranian geography? Like, surely you understand that it rains more in Paris than In Tehran?
The problem wasn’t only lack of rain, but also a lot of mismanagement that led people without water to riot.
Also, if water management is your metric for government success, do you give your allegiance to the Communist Party of China for it’s anti-desertification campaign in the Gobi desert?
Call me crazy, but I consider “providing your citizens with water” as a core government task; why you bring up the Chinese government with something totally unrelated is beyond me.
“I consider it a government task. Yes, I’m making atrocity propaganda of the Iranian government during a US military buildup in the region just months after the country was bombed by the US. I am very progressive and totally not running Israeli propaganda by doing this”
How many comments do you have about water mismanagement by the Saudi government?
How many comments do you have supporting the Muamar El-Qaddafi government for carrying out one of the biggest civil infrastructure projects of the history of humanity (taking water from the great Nubian aquifer) to provide clean drinking water to its citizens, and how many times have you criticized the western intervention that murdered Qaddafi and left the infrastructure of the water supply crumbling?
Or maybe you don’t give two shits about people having access to water in any Muslim majority country, and you just want to find reasons to criticize a government on the brink of being invaded by the US?
There is a not insignificant (at least by noise level) portion of the Iranian Diaspora that want the US to invade specifically to install Reza Pahlavi as King. I know because they are harassing my wife on social media when she posts her position which is as you described. You are right in that the majority don’t want a war like this, but Royalists specifically (including the prince of nothing himself ) seem to actually believe that this would be a good thing.
You only have to look at what happened around Huda Beauty, when their Iraqi owner said the same thing you are saying.
He is 100%. The difference is that Trump rules the US, not Iran. For Iranians, anything that can realistically help them get rid of their oppressors is a glimmer of hope that cling on to even if the odds aren’t that great.
The issue with that is that’s how they got into this mess the first time. And the midterms are coming, Kamala lost on Palestine. I don’t mean to be a dick but the timing seems very similar…
For the record, I don’t support the US installing a new regime. I want the Iranian people take their country back for themselves, not be under new management. I just think that with how ruthless and evil this regime is willing to be, it’s simply not possible for the people to overthrow it by themselves.
Honestly, I used to not understand that mindset. But living in the US now, I’m starting to feel that desperation. Literally anything that would knock that clown off his stool would be worth it, even a deal with the devil himself.
I have some family in Iran, and they tell me that the regime is so universally hated that it has no legitimacy left. They can only rule through fear and violence, and people desperately want something that can give them the extra push to overthrow the regime.
In 1979 Iranians revolted against the Shah. Toronto filled up with Iranians in the 80s who ran and grabbed billions of dollars from the country. Ask any of them where they got their money and you got shady answers. The Canadian government let anyone in with money. There are so many of these people they call the city Tehranto.
These people want the return of the Shah and a corrupt crony class to steal the wealth of the country, taking trillions in oil wealth to leave most of the country in poverty.
Iran will get bombed, thousands will die, US will install a puppet Fascist and the cycle will reset. There were good reasons why the people put Ayatollahs in power.
Sorry, let me clarify that my comment wasn’t meant to express an opinion, but to ask why their response was to skip the main content of OP’s post and ask that question. However as another user pointed out OP seems to be a Tesla shill amongst other things, so I guess neither of those posters is worth engaging with. The internet is miraculous
another user pointed out OP seems to be a Tesla shill amongst other things
Users on this site are really are gullible to misinformation. That user was lying. You’re free to browse my account history as you please, and make your own opinions instead of relying on a single dishonest user who’s engaging in bad faith.
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
I just hope that most of that are bots trying to stir chaos, otherwise it’s too sad
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Americans are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the Iran means.
You’re not talking about reality, you’re talking about your perception and your perception is built on a negative stereotype meme.
All those Iranian citizens who think the U.S. is doing this for them… They’re about to find out the hard way what putting your trust in the U.S. is like, let alone Trump. You would think they’d learn from the last time.
Nobody thinks this. Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Iranians are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the US means, they had two of their neighbors go through it. They know it’s hell, but the thing is that the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil that if a war loosens their grip on power and opens up a real possibility for a new government, then it might just be worth it.
I’m Iraqi. My family lived through the terror of Saddam Hussein. The US invasion was hell. It destabilized the country and a lot of people died. Nobody recalls that time as a good one. Yet, at the same time, you’ll be hard pressed to any Iraqi that wishes the US didn’t depose of that evil regime.
I’m Iranian, living in Iran. He is right.
A very big portion of people think trump or netanyahu’s attack and war will save them from the islamic republic.
When people are angry, hungry, getting killed, hopeless and poor, we can’t expect their brains to work properly.
It’s by design though. US policy has destroyed the Iranian middle class (you know, the exact people who would otherwise do the regime-changing). The whole point is to cause desperation and despair which they can take advantage of. It’s the same method that was used against castles and city-states in the middle ages.
Edit: as short as 4 months ago, the user above was referring to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as “the Israel-Palestine conflict”. They have posts complaining about leftism on Lemmy, praising the Cybertrucks and Teslas, and edgelording AI. Also, their posting and commenting hours suggest timezones in the continent of America, contrary to their claim of being Iraqi.
The main problem in Iran and the reason why protests broke out last months is simply US + EU sanctions. The Iranian currency imploded over the past months and drove many people to desperation, the current exchange rate is like 1.5mn to 1USD, and this is unequivocally the fault of the US + EU. However bad their regime, US+EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY in the world, the death burden of these sanctions is astronomically higher than anything you can ascribe to the Iranian government. The literal, EXPLICIT POLICY of sanctions is, and I quote official US documents: “to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government”.
Iran could have been a secular socialist democracy as Iranians democratically decided in the previous century under the government of Mosaddeq, but UK+USA conspired to bring the government down and brought back monarchy. The Iranian government is literally the fault of the Anglos. Stop doing atrocity propaganda for the US empire on the fucking verge of an invasion. And there are plenty of Iraqi who wholeheartedly condemn the invasion of Iraq even if it brought down the government of Saddam, because what followed was orders of magnitude worse. An example is Hakim on YouTube.
One of the most pathetic things about Reddit is that whenever an argumentative user is incapable of defending their views on their own merits, they spend a embarrassing amount of time digging through someone else’s post history to try to find something attack their character with. It’s just such a lazy and desperate thing to do because it demonstrates a shallow confidence in their own beliefs, and it also shows that they value “winning” an argument through fallacious means rather than having discussion where opinions are exchanged. I see you’re doing your best keeping that chronically online spirit alive here on Lemmy as well.
So let me get this straight, you spent god knows how long going back months into my account history, and the best you could do was intentionally misrepresent my 3 of my positions and then complain about a single word that I used 4 months ago? Damn, that’s pathetic.
If you kept digging a little longer or maybe tried reading a little deeper, you would’ve find out that I’m an Iraqi who’s family lived during Saddam Hussein, the US invasion, and then we migrated to Syria after an Iranian terrorist militia attacked our neighbor’s at the dead of night. We stayed in Syria for a few years but things started going downhill there too, so we decided to immigrate to the West, and the US was the first country to accept our applications. This is not the gotcha you think it is.
I’m not going to waste too much time here because you’re someone who engages in bad faith, but I just want to point out that this narrative is false. Iranians are not protesting just because of the sanctions, they’re protesting government tyranny, corruption, and incompetence. If it really was just the sanction, then explain the 2022 Mahsa Amini protests where the country went into uproar for 2 years after the regime killed a teenage girl for not following their religious dress code or explain their water crises where they’re threatening to evacuate their capital due to regime’s mismanagement or the 2017 hijab law protests. The sanctions don’t magically make the regime more authoritarian and incomptent, they just expose the problems that were already there faster.
You’re going to need to source this. I know for a fact that you either made this up or you’re intentionally misinterpreting some paper that says something very different. If you can’t link the exact source you’re referring to and then show specifically which part said this, I’m going to safely assume that this claim has no substance.
Also, I find it really annoying, how you’re going out of your way to bootlick a regime that is this evil with some low level fallacy like whataboutism. “However bad their regime” my ass, It’s not a competition. Other countries doing other bad things does NOT justify, excuse, or negate the evil things that the Iranian regime has done or is doing. The only reason you would even do something like this is because YOU support the regime. At this point you’re not just criticizing the West, you’re actively defending the regime. You’re directly opposing Iranians who are fighting for their freedom and rights, and you’re doing everything in your power to stand with their oppressors.
Everybody acknowledges that the coups of the Democratic government were bad, but guess what? It’s not the 1950s anymore. We live in a completely different reality now, and those events do not justify or excuse the islamic regime’s atrocities against their neighbors or their own people. Like what is even the though process here? “There was a coup 70 years ago that’s bad therefore we should support and let this evil regime slaughter and oppress millions of people”, it’s an asinine position.
The US invasion destabilized the country, but the thing that made it worse was this very same Iranian regime. Their terrorist proxy militias are directly responsible for corrupting the new government, keeping the country unstable through violence and fear, causing violence by stoking sectarian tensions, and turbo charging minority oppression that led to the rise of ISIS. Like what the hell are we even talking about here? How the hell is ignorant Westerner going to try and lecture me about my own country?
So you’re example is a Marxist youtube grifter who carters to a Western audience? If that’s your source of information on the country then no wonder why you’re out of touch. You need to look things made by Iraqis for Iraqis. Go look up Ahemd Al Basheer. He’s an Iraqi personality who’s followed by millions of Iraqis and he’s commonly called the voice of the Iraqi people. He does a very successful late night styled TV show on youtube and DW called Al Basheer Show. Most of his videos are in Arabic, but he did do a youtube series in English awhile back for an international audience awhile ago, you should go watch that. That should be way more informative than someone like Hakim lmao
Oh no, a MARXIST voice from Iraq who actually lives in the country??? Damn, guess we should totally listen instead to emigrées like you who left the country 20 years ago and have been exposed to 20 years of USA propaganda!
Or should we listen to Ahmed Al Basheer, who streams from literal German state TV (Deutsche Welle)? Surely entirely apolitical and not at all exclusively funding journalists who geopolitically align with them! Not at all media stations endlessly defending the genocide of Palestinians in Israel! The fact that you claim that “the voice of Iraqis” comes from German state TV tells me enough.
Go ahead: if I’ve misrepresented your positions, tell me, is Israel engaging committing genocide against Palestinians? Should the current state of Israel be eliminated and the lands of Palestinians returned to their rightful owners?
Where do you base the number of half a million deaths due to US-EU sanctions on? Because I know the EU uses sanctions, but not (at least explicitly) with the intention of causing wide scale hunger.
The source for the half a million (actually 560k a year) comes from this recent study in The Lancet medical journal. It takes into account 50 years of sanction policy and arrives to that figure of murders, yearly, since 1971.
Good on you for questioning the sources, I love seeing people critical of online figures.
The actual study and not just the short article is https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext. However, I don’t really find the claim backed that the EU is a major factor in that regard:
Not very familiar with how to read the data, but to me, EU sanctions have no really significant impact on mortality in any of these specifications that would allow to construct a hard causality; there is almost no entry for EU sanctions in table 3 where there’s a statistical significance, except for “Child mortality (5–10 years)” in Specifications 3 and 4, where it barely reaches the threshold (p=0.051 and p=0.052); in the latter, the UN sanctions have a MUCH higher correlation.
Not exactly sure how one can come to the conclusion that this is US+EU sanctions when there’s such a difference between those when viewed in isolation… that said, a correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation, e.g. let’s say there’s a civil war and the government gets sanctioned, then you do have a correlation between deaths and the sanctions, but it’s the former that caused the latter and not the other way around.
That said, I’m not disagreeing that sanctions can’t have negative effect on a population, in fact it’s the normal people getting hit first because usually the targets of sanctions will make sure it’s their citizens suffering and not themselves
What’s your point? “EU should keep sanctioning people”? Or “Sanctions aren’t mathematically proven to kill people even if there are extremely strong correlations and obvious mechanism through which this happens”?
Thanks for the source, interesting read. Makes me question sanction more. Haha, well here on Lemmy you can have a conversation when asking clarification, so thank you as well :)
Yea that guy reeks like a hasbara.
There’s also the water issue, and that definitely wasn’t because of sanctions; and even if the reason for riots might be due to external factors, it does matter to a population how the leadership responds to it, and the response has been horrible.
Because water problems are famously well managed by which government? I’m a Spaniard, and I can tell you that our glorious European democracy™ has golf fields in Castilla La Mancha, and farmers in the vicinity of the Doñana natural park are draining the groundwaters to the point of destruction of the ecosystem.
Are people in Spain rioting due to the mismanagement of water? No. Would people riot if our currency suffered an enormous devaluation and suddenly we couldn’t import basic products? Absolutely.
Yeah because issues are always absolute and there is no nuance.
Yes, water is mismanaged in Europe as well and it will bite us, but we’re not currently at Iranian levels where they considered moving the capital because the potable water situation was so bad.
The proposal made little sense all things considered, but this is the level of competence the Iranian leadership showed in that situation.
Have you considered that might have to do with Iranian geography? Like, surely you understand that it rains more in Paris than In Tehran?
Also, if water management is your metric for government success, do you give your allegiance to the Communist Party of China for it’s anti-desertification campaign in the Gobi desert?
The problem wasn’t only lack of rain, but also a lot of mismanagement that led people without water to riot.
Call me crazy, but I consider “providing your citizens with water” as a core government task; why you bring up the Chinese government with something totally unrelated is beyond me.
“I consider it a government task. Yes, I’m making atrocity propaganda of the Iranian government during a US military buildup in the region just months after the country was bombed by the US. I am very progressive and totally not running Israeli propaganda by doing this”
How many comments do you have about water mismanagement by the Saudi government?
How many comments do you have supporting the Muamar El-Qaddafi government for carrying out one of the biggest civil infrastructure projects of the history of humanity (taking water from the great Nubian aquifer) to provide clean drinking water to its citizens, and how many times have you criticized the western intervention that murdered Qaddafi and left the infrastructure of the water supply crumbling?
Or maybe you don’t give two shits about people having access to water in any Muslim majority country, and you just want to find reasons to criticize a government on the brink of being invaded by the US?
Perhaps they should.
There is a not insignificant (at least by noise level) portion of the Iranian Diaspora that want the US to invade specifically to install Reza Pahlavi as King. I know because they are harassing my wife on social media when she posts her position which is as you described. You are right in that the majority don’t want a war like this, but Royalists specifically (including the prince of nothing himself ) seem to actually believe that this would be a good thing.
You only have to look at what happened around Huda Beauty, when their Iraqi owner said the same thing you are saying.
Is trump not cartoonishly evil too?
He is 100%. The difference is that Trump rules the US, not Iran. For Iranians, anything that can realistically help them get rid of their oppressors is a glimmer of hope that cling on to even if the odds aren’t that great.
The issue with that is that’s how they got into this mess the first time. And the midterms are coming, Kamala lost on Palestine. I don’t mean to be a dick but the timing seems very similar…
Yeah, because the US has a stellar history if installing fair dictators. That’s how Hussein came to power in the first place.
For the record, I don’t support the US installing a new regime. I want the Iranian people take their country back for themselves, not be under new management. I just think that with how ruthless and evil this regime is willing to be, it’s simply not possible for the people to overthrow it by themselves.
Honestly, I used to not understand that mindset. But living in the US now, I’m starting to feel that desperation. Literally anything that would knock that clown off his stool would be worth it, even a deal with the devil himself.
Fuck, this sucks so much.
One of my uncle shared the same sentiments with me; they want Iran invaded because they hope it’ll get rid of the regime.
I told him that no country capable of invading Iran will do so in the interest of Iranians. He said he knows, but he sees no alternative.
I have some family in Iran, and they tell me that the regime is so universally hated that it has no legitimacy left. They can only rule through fear and violence, and people desperately want something that can give them the extra push to overthrow the regime.
In 1979 Iranians revolted against the Shah. Toronto filled up with Iranians in the 80s who ran and grabbed billions of dollars from the country. Ask any of them where they got their money and you got shady answers. The Canadian government let anyone in with money. There are so many of these people they call the city Tehranto.
These people want the return of the Shah and a corrupt crony class to steal the wealth of the country, taking trillions in oil wealth to leave most of the country in poverty.
Iran will get bombed, thousands will die, US will install a puppet Fascist and the cycle will reset. There were good reasons why the people put Ayatollahs in power.
Thanks for the downvotes, toronto Persians.
I downvoted you out of principle. No religious leader is a good replacement, and should never be considered better than what came before.
Not sure if you mean the regime in Iran or USA.
The Trump administration is evil, but it’s still night and day compared to the Iranian regime. The Mullahs make MAGA look tame in comparison.
Both can be true but what’s the point of your comment?
I don’t think that’s true. the US one has definite cartoon vibes. The Iran one seems a bit more “physical”
Yeah, the US has a level of incompetence to it that makes it somewhat amusing, from a distance.
The Iranian regime is a lot better at what they do, and that’s the scary part.
Sorry, let me clarify that my comment wasn’t meant to express an opinion, but to ask why their response was to skip the main content of OP’s post and ask that question. However as another user pointed out OP seems to be a Tesla shill amongst other things, so I guess neither of those posters is worth engaging with. The internet is miraculous
Users on this site are really are gullible to misinformation. That user was lying. You’re free to browse my account history as you please, and make your own opinions instead of relying on a single dishonest user who’s engaging in bad faith.
I scrolled enough to know you’re somebody I wouldn’t enjoy talking to, so farewell. Tell my kids I love them
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
I just hope that most of that are bots trying to stir chaos, otherwise it’s too sad
Calling out USA on its atrocities and its bad rep with foreign interference throughout history is USdefaultism now?
WTF are you smoking?
You’re more bot-like than the OP. Just calling names making things up to manufacture consent in a made up reality in a bot farm.
Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Americans are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the Iran means.
You’re not talking about reality, you’re talking about your perception and your perception is built on a negative stereotype meme.