I love this. Can’t believe I didnt know this site before.
All those Iranian citizens who think the U.S. is doing this for them… They’re about to find out the hard way what putting your trust in the U.S. is like, let alone Trump. You would think they’d learn from the last time.
Nobody thinks this. Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Iranians are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the US means, they had two of their neighbors go through it. They know it’s hell, but the thing is that the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil that if a war loosens their grip on power and opens up a real possibility for a new government, then it might just be worth it.
I’m Iraqi. My family lived through the terror of Saddam Hussein. The US invasion was hell. It destabilized the country and a lot of people died. Nobody recalls that time as a good one. Yet, at the same time, you’ll be hard pressed to any Iraqi that wishes the US didn’t depose of that evil regime.
Edit: as short as 4 months ago, the user above was referring to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as “the Israel-Palestine conflict”. They have posts complaining about leftism on Lemmy, praising the Cybertrucks and Teslas, and edgelording AI.
The main problem in Iran and the reason why protests broke out last months is simply US + EU sanctions. The Iranian currency imploded over the past months and drove many people to desperation, the current exchange rate is like 1.5mn to 1USD, and this is unequivocally the fault of the US + EU. However bad their regime, US+EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY in the world, the death burden of these sanctions is astronomically higher than anything you can ascribe to the Iranian government. The literal, EXPLICIT POLICY of sanctions is, and I quote official US documents: “to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government”.
Iran could have been a secular socialist democracy as Iranians democratically decided in the previous century under the government of Mosaddeq, but UK+USA conspired to bring the government down and brought back monarchy. The Iranian government is literally the fault of the Anglos. Stop doing atrocity propaganda for the US empire on the fucking verge of an invasion. And there are plenty of Iraqi who wholeheartedly condemn the invasion of Iraq even if it brought down the government of Saddam, because what followed was orders of magnitude worse. An example is Hakim on YouTube.
Yea that guy reeks like a hasbara.
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
I just hope that most of that are bots trying to stir chaos, otherwise it’s too sadAmericans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Americans are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the Iran means.
You’re not talking about reality, you’re talking about your perception and your perception is built on a negative stereotype meme.
Calling out USA on its atrocities and its bad rep with foreign interference throughout history is USdefaultism now?
WTF are you smoking?
You’re more bot-like than the OP. Just calling names making things up to manufacture consent in a made up reality in a bot farm.
One of my uncle shared the same sentiments with me; they want Iran invaded because they hope it’ll get rid of the regime.
I told him that no country capable of invading Iran will do so in the interest of Iranians. He said he knows, but he sees no alternative.
the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil
Not sure if you mean the regime in Iran or USA.
Both can be true but what’s the point of your comment?
I don’t think that’s true. the US one has definite cartoon vibes. The Iran one seems a bit more “physical”
Yeah, the US has a level of incompetence to it that makes it somewhat amusing, from a distance.
The Iranian regime is a lot better at what they do, and that’s the scary part.
I’m not saying this isn’t a sign of something, but Surf and Turf nights are fairly common at overseas bases. Sometimes once a week.
EDIT: Pie is pretty much nightly anywhere with real kitchen.
Found the Zoomie…
We were lucky to not be thrown an omelette mre off the back of a deuce and a half.
@ickplant Putting soldiers in harms way to distract from the epstein files should get the fat fuck the death sentence.
I’ve been saying that cutting USAID and the nearly million deaths that followed in the subsequent months as a direct result of cutting a program that as much as a couple of his planned ballrooms, should get him hanged slowly at the hague.
Out of everything he’s done, this along with rolling back environmental protections will have caused the most harm and suffering to humanity and these are the things getting the least attention.
Imagine having the power to ruin the lives of countless millions of living souls and doing it for no other reason than to prove how “not woke” you are and to add another several cents per share to your donor’s investments.
Nixon and Reagan both conspired with hostile foreign governments to win elections and we let both of those guys off the hook. Why would this be different?
Because we’ve had enough? Because we’ve learned our lesson?
Or maybe we haven’t?
I don’t see a whole lot of lesson-learning going on. Except by those who have been taught that when they break laws there isn’t punishment
The POLITICIANS don’t seem to have learned anything, at least the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries haven’t. They might as well be working for them.
But the Citizens have. We know that the Dems have done nearly nothing to protect us from the MAGA scourge, and we are likely to have to do it ourselves.
But some are awake, and others are waking. We may yet be able to force the Dems to do their jobs, and fight for us. How the Dems respond to the inevitable MAGA screaming when they get crushed in the Midterms will tell the tale. If Schmuck & Jeffries let them get away with stealing this election, too, like they did with 2024, them we’ll have to take matters into our own hands.
And for their fecklessness, our elected Dems will find themselves nearly as big an enemy as MAGA.
Different?
Yeah. The ruling class, and the oligarchs who own them, have made it abundantly clear they will burn the whole system down rather than allow one of their own to be held accountable.
See also: Biden 2020/AG Garland
They need the current system in place way more than we do. They benefit greatly by this system, we don’t. They may THREATEN to burn it down, but they won’t. They worked too hard, and they benefit too much by it, to let it go.
Before they’ll destroy the system that has made them wealthy, and will continue to make them wealthy, they’ll surrender, and live to fight another day.
They’ll kill MAGA before they’ll kill the THEIR economy.
One burned down system please!
If we read of one man robbed, or murdered, or killed by accident, or one house burned, or one vessel wrecked, or one steamboat blown up, or one cow run over on the Western Railroad, or one mad dog killed, or one lot of grasshoppers in the winter, - we need never read of another. One is enough. If you are acquainted with the principle, what do you care for a myriad instances and applications?
-Thoreau, Walden
Pedos or not there is no way the USA would stay out of waging new wars either way, it’s literally its bread and butter and can’t exist without it. The machine is getting itchy, it needs blood, that simple.
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But instead it will probably get him more adoration from his base.
Who am I kidding? It’s not probably, it’s definitely.
For now, foreign wars are a slow burn on popularity, for now he will be popular, before too long people will hate him for it, he will be gone soon anyway though he already doesn’t know what is going on, or he wouldn’t be betraying his america first bullshit.
And they’ll just latch on to the next toad creature that comes along, they always do, they won’t all suddenly un-fascist themselves.
Oh yeah, the party’s base is radicalized, and the establishment are all in on fascist dictatorship time. It’s just a matter of who wins the succession fight, and if they can hold it, and steal it if need be, with their new leader during the fight. Vance won’t get it, someone will take it from him.
The project 2025 people, the religious right, their business dickheads, and their assorted partizans are all in on it, anyone with loyalty to country, and elections, over the party, has been purged after they gave themselves away in 2020, and none of them were purged, not in government and bureaucracy, after 2020 either because Biden let them all get away with it, so noble to let captured agencies fail in their statutory duties in the most basic of their missions, preventing the republic from being killed in all but name with elections fixed, but I digress.
The only way out is popular reform by a strong opposition leader that organizes the opposition, and knows how to build and run a political machine, and we won’t seemingly have that, so Republicans get to carry on their shit show it appears.
They’re gonna go kill brown people to get the focus off of the richest ruling elite in the world (including their own commander in chief) trafficking, raping, and murdering children.
So exactly what has been keeping the US alive for over a century, yes.
And it won’t even work
Seriously? It’ll definitely work for more people than one dares to believe. It’s not about it working in the way you mean on us, the people that nothing will work on, it’s about everyone else. And for us that have functional empathy, conscience, intelligence etc. it will work in another way, we see the horrors about to happen. We see the people it’s going to happen to as actual people and anyone can only handle so much. It’s the classic “do or confess bad thing to make other bad thing seem less relevant”, and that works on everyone, just in different ways.
I can absolutely see even here on lemmy being filled with news about this and less about what they’re doing this to take attention away from. It’ll work on me, no matter how much I don’t want it to, because I feel for the people who will suffer and die from this. And It’ll work on others in other ways.Yeah, we’ve already firmly established that the majority of the US still doesn’t care about these countries. I doubt it’ll be more than a blip.
Iranians are white.
Americans don’t think so. They think they’re all Arabs.
That is true they do.
They don’t think so, or they don’t care.
It’s not about white or brown. It’s easier for them to get support to abuse the brown people, it doesn’t mean white people are safe, or they won’t be working to hurt them. In fact everything they are doing is getting license to hurt white people en masse in the united states proper, while they steal elections, and throw protesters in camps, with courts unable to issue nationwide injunctions now.
That said, the Iranians are basically white, without the head gear they would fit right in, Iran means Aryan by the way. From being settled by horse tribes from the steppes of Asia around 1,500 bc,
It was never about skin colour though, was it?
disclaimer for people who don't like to interpret internet comments charitably
(even if it was, that wouldn’t make racism acceptable ofc)
I love that disclaimer. I feel like I need to put it on everything. People seem quite incapable of separating descriptive and normative statements on here.
Sometimes I feel like people have misinterpreted all my social critiques as advocacy for the things I was critiquing.
Like I’ll point something out, say “Society tends to do such-and-such,” implying, “and that’s wrong,” but what people hear instead is “as it should.”
Like, I could explicitly state “and that’s wrong” all the time, but sometimes that would get a “no shit” reaction, or possibly come off as performative.
Sometimes there’s just no winning…
My dad who served in Vietnam looked at this tweet and went silent. My mom is now really upset. I am so tired.
But they still both voted Trump 3x, right?
Isn’t this an old tweet? Why is there no date on it.
Isn’t this an old tweet? Why is there no date on it.
i searched for the username; the tweet is from ~42 hours prior to this lemmy post.
No foreign wars #2.
Pedophilic Boogaloo
Olympics end today so it’s showtime for the military industrial complex.
I had to check the date. It’s been 4 years since the end of the Beijing winter Olympic, also known as the start of Russia’s 3 day special military operation.
And they would’ve taken Kiev too if it weren’t for those meddling kids!
It’s also a few days into Ramadan, a holiday where Muslims fast while the sun is up. (It lasts approximately from fat Tuesday to Easter.)
So, you know, if you want to fuck up someone’s day, make ‘em work extra hard while hangry.(Which is not necessarily true. IIRC, much of the religious understanding and forgiveness in Islam is about intent. They might be cool with breaking a fast when facing an existential threat. But it’s Iran, sooo…)
It can be a bit variable with Islam, but depending on what you follow there’s maybe an exemption from having to fast during Ramadan if your well-being is just generally at risk from doing so. There are also several groups that are exempted (Sick, Pregnant, too young, too old, etc), but don’t think any of them apply here.
Makes me think of those stupid assholes who sell ammo with pig lard in it. As if God would be mad that you touched pig because some guy shot you with it.
That just seems like it would piss the other guy off more than anything.
Yeah they have a clause about even eating pork if it’s a matter of life and death. It’s one of those “God gets it” kind of fine print.
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More like, Ramadan, meaning they’re ticked off because they’re hungry and go fire off a few IRAMs. Attacks always increased when they were fasting.
Circus is over
Does it count as stopping the most wars when you started them all?
He made the “Bored of Peace” with several war criminals for a reason…
Gotta replenish if he wants more wars to stop. Record breaker!
/joke
Okay. And for those of us that haven’t served what does it mean? Fucking gate keepers, man.
It’s like in games when there is suddenly a room with lots of healing items and ammo you know there is a hard fight coming up
Such good food is served to boost morale and mood of soldiers before the battle. In this case, before a new war. To be more precise: before war between the USA and Iran(and Israel as an ally).
I would have expected this admin to serve McDonald’s and diet Coke
Ally? The US is subservient to Israel.
It’s more like Israel is our unsinkable aircraft carrier next to the gas station
Cute, you think it’s a country in charge? HA
The USA and Israel serve the same master
Holy shit, I don’t want another needless war in the middle east but my god do I want to see Berserker Blobby go absolutely ape shit and start wailing on everyone in his path.
Blobby!
BLOBBY!
BLOOOOOBBBBBBBBBBBY!
What master would that be?
Or less charitably we can say the president, and congress, are Israel’s bitch.
You know how they feed a death row inmate a last meal before sending them off to die. Kinda like that, only more fucked up because our troops are going to die for the machinations of billionaires and warlords.
The US won’t be suffering that many casualties. Iran is powerless to respond to most of these aerial attacks and guided missiles and advanced drones. That’s why they are doing it, well that’s why Israel is using their epstein blackmail to get the US to do it for them. Then Israel can always find another pretext to bomb and assassinate them even after peace is declared. Forever war, a permanent foil for Israel, their bogeyman their media has crafted, despite their lack of advanced weapons systems.
I wouldn’t want to be on that aircraft carrier when the missiles sink it.
War is coming tomorrow.
Edit: again, I would like to add that this is wild speculation.
I just looked up the original tweet. It was sent out on Friday. (20 Feb 2026)
The Pentagon Pizza index shows a weeklong 160% spike in afternoon activity at the Papa Johns 2.3 miles from the Pentagon.
The 5 closer pizza places are currently showing a bit busy, but nothing outside of the ordinary.
i will honestly be surprised if it happens this far out from the midterms. i was thinking shit hits the fan maybe a month or two at most before voting day, so fascists can pep rally their braindead supporters into a “we are victorious, therefore the best party” bullshit narrative
i could be wrong. it doesn’t matter. trump was always going to invade iran, regardless of how fucking dumb that always was
Truthfully I think a new war now would destroy them. If they let midterms happen
People didn’t even show up for their own human rights, they won’t show up because of Iran. Trump will just bomb them to hell and leave it a mess, so no boots on the ground imagery.
Oh yeah if he didn’t put any boots on the ground that’s different. The American people have a record of being just fine boning anywhere and anything
He’s going to try the same thing as Venezuala, put in some sort of goverment that answers to him. It will be harder though.
He’s all about imagery. He knows boots on the ground getting blown up is bad imagery, so he’ll leave it to who the fuck knows to sort out the mess. Apparently the son of the Shah lives in the US.
They may genuinely think that electoral politics won’t impact them, or that they have it compromised enough or that enough people will actually support them.
They’ve been overreaching from the start and they’re going to reap the consequences. A lot of people on the right and left alike right now are waving their hands at electoralism broadly thinking it doesn’t do anything, when it’s why we’re here at all so there is a large amount of ignorance spread through the country. This could be good news for our elections, it could be terrible news for our world broadly as these chucklefucks start wars and trample over the world.
Truthfully I think a new war now would destroy them
why do you think that? tell the public that X is a threat to america, so therefore we need to invade/obliterate X-- done, mission accomplished. see: bush 2
If they let midterms happen
this is key. trump will put pressure on state governors and state boards of elections to throw away all the D votes, because that’s what he fucking does. and even if that fails, it seems to me that he gets whatever the fuck he wants anyway.
so again: doesn’t matter. i hope you don’t have kids
why do you think that? tell the public that X is a threat to america, so therefore we need to invade/obliterate X-- done, mission accomplished. see: bush 2
You are forgetting 2 very big reasons why Bush was able to start that war
i have a feeling you’re about to support my point, so please–enlighten me
I believe it’s a 9/11 reference, with the “two very big reasons” alluding to the Twin Towers.
Sure, but let me get ahead of what you’re going to say. 9/11 provided the justification. As of right now, we have not had another 9/11 like event to justify invading another country. Citing a vague threat used to work immediately after 9/11, but that faded after about a decade. All you have to do is look at public opinion of the war in Afghanistan. The vague "threats’ of danger stopped working.
Of course as with all horrible things about 30% of the dumbest demographic will support it no matter what.
Doomerism. Ignore and move on.
Not really doomerism when we literally had the DHS secretary on mic in public say “we’re going to have ICE making sure the right people vote for the right leaders”.
When the enemy tells you their plan, believe them the first time.
Right now is when the situation in Iran is ripe though with their protests.
Ripe for what?
removal of the regime to be replaced with a usa puppet
They cut and ran in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and that was when the U.S. was a global hegemon at its absolute peak. No way they can regime change a country that is more populous and developed than both neighbors put together.
Especially not after they have spend the last 9 years destroying their international power structures.
I mean, sure, they kan kill a few hundred thousand people, declare victory and fuck off, but they can’t do much to actually change anything for the better long term.
Not a fucking chance that happens. We could assassinate a string of their leaders, they won’t let a puppet take over, not a fucking chance. If anything hardliners will get in after they kill their leaders, which is what Israel wants, to keep the war going, for cause to come back and hit them again and again after peace is remade, for years. It’s a forever war Israel is buying with their blackmail so they don’t have to face their domestic failures in the ghetto uprising, and elections.
You do realize most of that is a concerted effort to drum up support, that the protests aren’t nearly as widespread as they would have you believe, and that this is 101 for manipulating people into war?
Idk, it will spike gas prices presumably, one thinks Iran would shut down the straits of hormuz this time, I can’t believe they didn’t last time though so what do I know. But it will supercharge inflation, and gas prices, 25% of oil moves through there.
Plus once a ship gets blown up, insurance pulls their coverage, and those tankers are worth like a hundred million or more, they won’t risk them in a war zone without insurance.
One would think between mines, and missiles they could have dug in and pull out and shoot off then disappear, that they could shut down the straits, and that maybe last time they were holding back to wait it out and not escalating. Which was a mistake as it guarenteed Israel would want to get some more cost free hits in.
But close to the election the hyper inflation could hurt, now they’ve plenty of time to calm it down, assuming they can keep Israel on a leash enough to keep the gulf ships going through after.
You think Iran could control the Strait of Hormuz against two US carrier strike groups?
The US navy can’t secure the Bab-el-Mandeb strait against less well equipped yemani rebels
I think they could with mines, and missiles, and drones, be able to hit oil tankers well enough to shut down the straits of hormuz.
You don’t think so? I thought they were going to do it last time and they didn’t, so maybe I was mistaken.
There are certain things people can reasonably criticize the US military as being bad at, but I don’t think anyone can credibly claim it isn’t excellent at achieving air superiority. I mean, maybe it could turn out that the Navy is “fighting the last war” and unprepared for drones, but I don’t think that’s likely. Especially not against Iran (China I might give more credit to, what with their hypersonic missiles and all).
Iran prefers to go after ships with torpedo boats. Not the US Navy’s strongest defence.
I am not saying Iran would beat the US navy, just that it should be able to threaten cargo ships enough to shut down the strait of hormuz and thereabouts. Between mines, floating things that explode when something hits them, sometimes set to intermediate depths. That could be dropped by drones or missiles. To missiles and drones themselves, they should be able to shut down the trade, once there is a credible threat insurance should pull their coverage even if the navy is escorting them.
That is their only real card to play here. Well besides for taking out Saudi oil facilities, which is not a bad idea at all. No matter what the saudis say now that Iran showed they can hit them, the Saudis were the biggest proponents of war with Iran back in the president’s first term. They deserve it, and they are more vulnerable, as the US doesn’t protect them so much.
Besides for that, yeah maybe big maybe they could take out a ship, if they got lucky and overwhelmed their defenses?
I didn’t serve and know well that this is a bad omen. When the military gives unprompted moral-boosting rewards, it means they’re buying something.
The military isn’t well known for their cuisine. The exception is when they’re about to deliver some bad news. Steak and lobster means you’re about to get shipped off to war.
Or Christmas dinner.
Every time unscheduled good food showed up, shitty orders followed.
Gotta be well fed before you kill people.
I thought it was about how the continental army had a thing in their contract that limited how much lobster they were forced to eat since it was treated more like slop than fine dining back then. 🤔
Oh they meant served as in military service. Given the context, I read it as anyone who has been a server/waiter and served food.
It means that it’s steak and crab legs day in the meal rotation. Or that anyone outside the immediate chain of command is visiting for any reason.
In other words, it means nothing.
Has there been at least a piss weak justification for this new war? Or is he still crapping on about Iran developing a nuclear weapon in the next five minutes? At least the last Iraq war had a good foundation of lies leading up to it.
Fighting Israel’s wars is the justification
The lies for Iraq were no better. Everyone knew that it was Bush jr wanting to finish Daddy’s war. He had been making noises about it since day one January 20 2001.
It was an easier sell because of 9/11.
It was an easier sell because of 9/11.
Not that that made any fucking sense either, mind you.
“We must go after the Afghani terrorists by (checks notes) attacking Iraq!”
Saudi terrorists
It was a different sort of atmosphere. Americans, especially the American right-wing, were consuming a media diet that was 100% fear and paranoia.
Republicans and Republican voters knew that Iraq was all based on lies, and they didn’t care. And since they had enough votes in Congress, they pushed forward.
No doubt. Most of the world knew they were talking shit about Iraq, but they at least tried for a while and got their stupid Coalition together for the invasion. In the current case with Iran it looks like they’re not even trying that.
Being sent to fertilise Iranian fields?
A pedophile wants to create a distraction so he asks his genocidal friend how he does it so they start a war together. Imagine dying so a pedophile doesn’t have to face justice. MAGA: they’ll do it.
“Honey, flowers? They’re lovely! Why do you bring me flowers, you never bring me flowers!”
The NY Times says Iran may be offering up a few leaders to be the next Delcy.
