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      Maybe we can find a way to have both? Science, research, health care and technical innovation don’t need to go hand in hand with capitalism.

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      True…but…

      A lot of medicines are fully natural things that we’ve learned how to cultivate or synthesize with remarkable accuracy. Look at Aspirin/Salicylic acid (sourced from certain bark, iirc). Or Penicillin.

      Insulin is another great example, something we’ve learned how to extract from pigs.

      And now tons of medicines are biologic. We are finding all sorts of stuff in nature that we can borrow and make it grow inside of domesticated plants or animals.

      When you get right down to it, everything we make came from the earth. Hell the phone I’m typing this on is really just a chunk of smart sand.

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      Yes, losing half your children before they became teens used to be normal.

      In addition, there were a lot of trees, fruit and water. But, the majority of the fruit wasn’t something humans could eat. It was simply there so that the plant could reproduce.

      It took millennia of cultivation to get nice, juicy fruit like we have today. Even just a hundred years ago, a sweet orange was a rare treat.

      For most of history, just getting enough calories every day was a challenge. The whole reason why debt, feudalism, war, etc. exist is that life was hard and sometimes people were willing to kill or die for the chance at something better.

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    First of all, we are a product of it. We also demand nutrition, like any other animal. We work by the same principles like any other animal. We just have a large neocortex, which allows us to solve complex problems, which other animals cannot. We use this to our advantage like any other animal would do. I am not saying that it is the right thing we are doing but we grew out of primitivism and have much more complex problems at hand now, which mainly need us to reject our tribal behaviour and move past it. Many of these large problems are due to our tribalism. Why should we care about the world? We care about our loved ones only. Why should I give money to people I do not know? I would rather give it to my close ones. Everything else is a potential threat. Our tribalism doesn’t function properly at this scale and we have to move past it somehow, while it is deeply natural for us to behave like this and it’s at small scale also beneficial and not harmful to others.

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    We weren’t gifted anything. And any species will expand to consume all the available resources. We’re just better at it than all the previous ones. The challenge now is to find an equilibrium, which is a totally new concept in the history of evolution on earth. The jury is very much out on this one.

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    I hate takes that condemn the whole of humanity for the evil of a powerful handful. That’s basically conservative ideology.

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    Humans invented war? Tell that to ants, birds, bees, wasps, wolves, and millions of other animals. We just happen to be very good at it. If there’s one thing to be said about humans, it’s that we are ridiculously good at killing things.

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      I remember this was a thing in Larry Niven’s “Known Space” sci-fi universe. Humans had become super peaceful because we were too good at war. The way it was achieved however was to have everyone medically pacified, except for a handful of selected people for their insight…

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    Only when the last tree has died and the last river poisoned and the last fish caught will we realize we cannot eat money.

    Cree Native American proverb

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    I don’t really see how this is important. Earth will heal once humans destroy themselves/their environment. Theoretically we should be trying to save earth for the next generation, but leaders think short term…. The next 3 months.

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      Earth will heal once humans destroy themselves/their environment

      Depends on how ambitious we get with our fuckery. We could potentially create cascading environmental collapses that are bad enough to where we lose a huge chunk of biodiversity. Life will most likely continue on in some form, but it may never recover to be as complex and diverse as it is now.

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    ‘Debt’ will always exist though. Unless you regress to a hunter-gatherer society, debt is always there.

    Agriculture is debt, effort now for a payoff in the future. Everything since then is just more debt. Even Communism was still debt.

    War sucks bigtime though.