Yeah this has definitely happened to me a few times
Lemmy has proven to me that tankies have more in common with right wingers than liberals.
Funny, Reddit has proven to me liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
I’d ask you for an example but we both know you wouldn’t be able to provide one.
A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries wasn’t a vote against Trump it was a vote against leftists and a dice roll against Trump.
Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.
You’re almost there. What made Joe Biden the “safe choice”?
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What’s crazy is you think this makes you clever.
It doesn’t. It just shows you’re unreasonable and incapable of understanding context or nuance. In other words, you’re either literally 15 or you’re mentally 15.
And also because leftists are a useless political bloc.
centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!
They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.
And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.
Oh ho! Now you’ve done it! They’re totally double extra not gonna vote for your candidate now!
They weren’t anyway but now . . . You just pissed off the least powerful non-voters in the electorate! Liberal!
Thanks for proving my point.
Thanks for proving mine.
You went back six years to try to prove your point.
That’s funny, I had the opposite experience. When Israel started doing it’s genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it, while the tankies were on the right side of history right from the start.
When Russia started their genocide in Ukraine those same tankies cheered it though.
I’m sorry, the invasion of Ukraine is a terrible thing, and definitely illegal, but it is not a genocide. Not a single human rights organization or anything like the ICJ, UN, ICC is calling it a genocide.
Youre right I don’t think it’s correct at all to call it a genocide. I think they’re just hypersensitive to the minimizing language tankies use a lot, where a lot of historians said “the uyghur genocide” and tankies say “uhm technically there was no mention of genocide from this international rights body so that’s an overreaction.” The implication being that sure it’s not good what’s happening to them, but it’s not THAT bad.
Tankies do a similar thing with Ukraine where they say “they’re just taking back some of the land they rightfully control,” or some other minimization.
No when you kidnap children, strip them of their citizenship and forcibly adopt them out that’s genocide.
Technically that’s ethnic cleansing.
Russia is currently not in the position to carry out a genocide, unlike Israel, so technically that can be correct. However, not everything is in the actions, something is in the intent as well (trying to commit a crime and failing can still be illegal and punishable), and Russia has made its heinous plans quite clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Russia_Should_Do_with_Ukraine
However, not everything is in the actions
That is absolutely correct. Genocide, however, is not one of those things. A significant portion of the definition of genocide consists of actions. So when you say someone is committing a genocide, you’re saying they’re doing some specific stuff with some very specific intentions. One of the two is not enough. You need both.
That’s true. Shooting someone but missing is murderous, but not a murder, and trying to commit a genocide is genocidal but not a genocide.
Thank you for proving my point.
Ukraine is a genocide. ICJ is trying a case about that very fact.
The ICJ is hearing counterclaims that Ukraine is committing genocide. So by your standards, Ukraine is committing genocide too. That doesn’t hold up to my standards, so I don’t believe Ukraine is committing genocide (or Russia for that matter).
I only brought up the ICJ because you mentioned it but I don’t need anything besides my eyes to see the truth of the genocide that’s happening.
When did that happen? The closest was people pointing out, correctly, that if you actually cared about Israel’s actions it was obvious that Trump would be worse. That’s not defending genocide, that’s trying to prevent people from making stupid decisions for noble reasons.
You know the genocide predates the US election by about a year right? People were not talking about Trump. You can go back for yourself, on lemmy.world, in October 2023, liberals were defending Israel’s genocide en masse.
Yeah I didn’t see any of that. I saw people speaking up for Palestine. I can’t say with certainly that it never happened, but it definitely wasn’t “en masse”.
Oh wow, we’re already in the “one day, everyone will always have been against this” era. Great. Liberal amnesia is a hell of a drug.
I’m telling you what I saw, and I was extremely active. I saw no significant defense of the Biden/Harris administration on Gaza except when it came to the election, and again only to point out that Trump would be objectively worse.
When Israel started doing it’s genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it
Where? Is there one example? I never saw one.
I saw a bunch of people hoping trump won over it though. Which made less than no sense.
You’ve never seen liberals screaming about voting for Biden or Kamala prior to the election on here? I couldn’t open the website without seeing it. That’s defense of the genocide, lol.
Voting for a candidate because they are better than the other guy is not an enforcement of all their policies, and pretending it is is a psyop for the opposition.
No, it’s voters accepting garbage politicians and policies.
How do you propose voters not accept them?
In October of 2023, when Israel started its genocide (and yes, in week 1 we already knew it was a genocide), liberals were falling over themselves defending it. On .world especially. You can go back to the Israel-related threads at the time for yourself. This predates the 2024 US election by a fair amount btw.
Tankies are the ideological opposite but intellectual equivalent of libertarians, and it says a lot about society that anyone subscribes to either after high school.
USA libertarians, correct? Because I constitute as libertarian in not wanting many if any rulers above the common people. Just that I’m also left and don’t have a weird fascination with changing age of consent laws like right wing libertarians do.
Yeah that’s the thing about authoritarians; they don’t have a problem with the boot, they just want it to be on the other foot. No better. Different axis, but the political compass looks more like a triangle than a square to me.
No better
Ehh… Slightly better
Oh noooo authoritarians who use that power to build affordable housing and transportation infrastructure, break up monopolies and capitalist machinations which gouge people trying to pay for food and healthcare. No please noooooooo. Let’s keep fighting this because it’s no different from pedophile billionaires destroying the planet. /s
“Ah, finally free from the tyranny of capitalism!” – the tankie says, barely audible over the sounds of a random minority group being mulched in the background
Uhhuh. Capitalism is evil. Wait… Why’s it evil again? Right; because of the suffering and harm it causes, and siphons the power from many into the hands of a few. And the authoritarian “left” is better because… Trains. Or something. But, come to thinks of it… You know, I heard Germany had a pretty decent rail system too. So perhaps that isn’t the bar by which we should measure success as a society.
I didn’t even say get rid of capitalism. I said “break up monopolies and capitalist machinations”.
Thanks for proving their point too.
It’s us or MAGA. Time to make a choice.
Well that’s the falsest dichotomy I’ve seen in awhile.
That would mean you have a plan on how to win general elections without us.
Who’s both siding now?
Uh-oh we’ve summoned them
White guy in a suit, how fitting, lol.
The authoritarians don’t do that, we do. You think Stalin was out there laying track?
He was calling for the deaths of the delivery driver whose load broke because of poor manufacturing quality.
What?
It’s the shit rolls down principle. The plant manager may have tuned the machine for say panes of glass to be 1mm thinner to stretch out supply and meet demand. This made it more fragile. While in transport the glass breaks, they blame the driver and send him to the gulag instead of the manager. Based on laws and expectations Stalin would have them summarily executed because he would blame the driver as well.
Making fun of Democrats is par for the course. Realizing that a small dick Republican is waiting to fuck you in bed - priceless.
Me, roasting a tankie, when a Republican chimes in
Roasting a tankie when a liberal chimes in 🤮
Roasting a tankie when a tankie chimes in 💀
Someone must have paid them well to pretend they were a Democratic.
Who has that kind of money?
