• SalamiDommie@lemmus.org
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    I have remained a voting Democrat since I started voting during Bush. I do not find “both sides” a way to prevent people from voting. I find that Dems have taken to also nominating insufferable assholes, following the lead of the Republicans. But people like paying more attention to crappy leaders than learning how to elect good ones.

    Also - Trump hasn’t been as bad as claimed. He has mostly been what I expected for 12 years. Mostly ineffectual and inconsequential. Undeserving of the attention he is given.

  • Cypressed@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    given the choice between the benign tumor and the malignant tumor, one is better off with the benign one. refusing to choose just hands it to the malignant tumor by default. furthermore, it’s not about supporting the lesser of two evils but identifying which evil is the worst overall and focusing everything you have on punishing it. refraining from punishing evil is, surprise surprise, AN EVIL ACT

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 hours ago

    Ashley B noted in one of her YouTube videos (Here we go) that in 2016, the largest focus of social media campaigns by Cambridge Analytica and by Russian assets, targeted black voters in battleground states to encourage them not to vote.

    And yeah, the gerrymandering war, voter suppression campaigns, voter caging, election tampering, false rumors of massive election fraud, all these are Republican efforts. When states have free and fair elections to which everyone has access and is allowed to vote, then Democrats win over Republicans.

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    5 hours ago

    gotta ask yourself if you want a chance to fix things or no chance at all. with trump, its no chance at all

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    Multiple things can be true. Both sides are bad, but that’s why the concept of voting for the lesser evil is a thing.

    Everybody sucks. But you should still vote.

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    Well that’s just nonsense. Any criticism of the democratic party, a famously spineless and dismissive organization, is a psyop?

    A party that has collaborated with the Republicans the whole way? Going so far as to make ICE one of the best funded militaries in the world?

  • Kindness is Punk@lemmy.ca
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    We need to show the Democrats that being conservative light is not good enough by making it have consequences in primaries.

    The lesser of two evils trap demoralizes people and makes them think that this is the best we can hope for from a politician but it’s not, We’ve seen a rise of left-wing politicians lately and we can do better.

    We must participate whenever possible and the choices aren’t always great but they do still matter.

    So yes, Democrats actively doing less damage than the Republican counterpart, and no it isn’t good enough.

    People deserve a world where hope can be a part of it.

    • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      8 hours ago

      Yes, participate in primaries, but if the corpo dem wins a primary still vote for their disgusting self over a Republican (unless there is a VIABLE third party candidate)

      • freagle@lemmy.ml
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        Yes, participate in primaries, but if the corpo dem wins a primary still vote for their disgusting self over a Republican (unless there is a VIABLE third party candidate)

        This assumes that the problem is that Republicans are in office. That’s not actually the problem. The problem is that the corpo bloc has candidates in both the Ds and the Rs. and replacing Rs with corpo Ds is not actually making any progress.

        • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works
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          Yeah because when I look at this political landscape it’s all of them voting together. Pretty easy to see /s

          Jfc the stupidity I see here. Fuck

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            The Democrats are CONSTANTLY participating in the bipartisan consensus. Biden has been supporting Israeli ultraviolence for 5 decades at this point. Bill and Hillary had house slaves in the AR governor’s mansion. Obama and Biden brought in Tom Homan and made it possible for ICE to deployed into cities and deported more than twice the number of people Trump has. Obama and Hillary fanned the flames of Libyan civil war and then gloated when the 70-year-old leader of the country was sodomized with a bayonet in a public lynching by the mercenaries they funded and armed. Everyone knew that the telecoms broke the law when they were caught recording all internet traffic for the NSA and everyone voted to grant them retroactive immunity. Obama declared Venezuela a national security threat in order to ramp up the torture on its citizens.

            Racialized mass incarceration is a bi-partisan consensus.
            Racialized means testing for public services is a bi-partisan consensus.
            Racialized ecocide is a bi-partisan consensus.
            Militarization of the police is a bi-partisan consensus.
            Putting immigrants and asylum seekers into solitary confinement is a bi-partisan consensus.
            Killing 800k people globally from sanctions alone, predominantly children and elderly, is a bi-partisan consensus.

            You’re not looking at the political landscape. You’re looking at the PR. You know what the Rs and the Ds are doing together? Golfing. Vacationing. Eating lunch and dinner. Meeting up at alumni events. Networking at private school events for their kids. They’re fucking dancing together, on video, with no fucking sense of shame. They are literally working for the same people every single day of their lives, and those people are the same ultraminority that founded the country and designed it to work this way.

        • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          8 hours ago

          There’s multiple problems. Society isn’t so simple as to assume there’s one problem. Corpo dems and Republicans are both problems, both worsening society, but one is an accelerant.

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            Given that the country was founded on the same principles of EuroFascism, by ultraminority white supremacist christian patriarchs who wanted to create lebensraum on the continent by genociding and enslaving anyone and anything in their way and enlisting every citizen in the project through vast systems of social influence and control… I would say the Republicans are the status quo, not an accelerant.

            • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Any argument that is based on “it was founded on” where the founding situation is 100+ years ago is ridiculous. Times change. Times have changed.

              Insult the present not the past and realize that Republicans are an accelerant.

              • freagle@lemmy.ml
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                Perhaps you don’t understand what I’m trying to say. I’m not trying to insult the past. I’m saying that the Republicans cannot be an accelerant towards our starting point. The USA has always been an ultraviolent blood-soaked fascist Christian-White-Supremacist mass murdering rapacious child-kidnapping torture paradise for the rich and depraved. It’s never not been that. The Republicans aren’t accelerating anything except the inevitable end of your fantasy that middle class white Americans and those who assimilate to be like them would have comfortable lives that were distant from the material and moral consequences of the empire.

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                  I understand what you’re trying to say. I have the presence of mind to realize the progress that was made since the 60s. I have the presence of mind to also realize it wasn’t founded as a christ state as you so pretend too, even if the rest is certainly true. It has been things other than that, and we worked very hard to make it that way, trump is trying to tear it back down again.

                  I’m by no means saying the USA is good. But in all politeness, if you’re saying that about the usa I hope you have the presence of mind to realize that china and Europe were founded on the same, and Europe has demonstrably changed for the better. Being bad is a spectrum.

                  I’m saying that the Republicans cannot be an accelerant towards our starting point.

                  I can tell you failed math class by this alone. Just as an aside.

        • edible_funk@lemmy.world
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          What part of vote for progressives in the goddamn primaries do you fuckin morons fail to grasp?

          • freagle@lemmy.ml
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            The part where it would work? The Democrats have already shown that they will do everything to stop it, from ratfucking to procedural malfeasance to standing up sheepdogs to siphon off the vote.

            And even if you get a handful of progressives primaried in, you’re still looking at a Senate structurally incapable of representing the voters. 70% of the Senate seats are decided by 30% of the US population. That’s by design and original intent. It’s been that way this whole time. You think voting in a couple more reps with progressive politics is going to make a damn bit of difference?

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              You’re right progressives totally didn’t just sweep the primaries all over the country… Fuckin people get what we deserve.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 hours ago

    It’s either:

    • There’s a big fat online conspiracy to deter people from voting in the US even though voting in the US is the thing that truly determines how the country is ruled and other things such as Money, have no or minimal influence in how the US is managed.
    • First Past The Post undemocratic voting systems like the one in America create political duopolies, which are populated by people in well entrenched power positions who when not in front of the cameras are basically work mates and protect each other. Further, the extreme political stability of such system attracts people who become lifers in that system, selling their political influence to the highest bidder in order to enrich themselves, and the politicians of both facets of the duopoly have a shared interest that such selling out is either not illegal at all or, when illegal, de facto not prosecuted, so together they’ll change laws and nominate the “appropriate” people to the Judicial system to make sure it is so.
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    First of all, half the non voters would vote republican (unless you actually believe democrats are just actually lazier people than republicans?!).

    Second of all, 99% of the shit trump does wrong is just plainly wrong under both parties “values.” It doesn’t matter what party this is way bigger than party this is about an enemy of the state controlling the white house.

    Also the democrats keep voting to fund his government, instead of shutting the whole damn country down, which is in fact necessary because an active unrepentant child rapist is controlling the white house and he’s starting illegal wars and stealing billions of dollars. So, to vote in the house or the senate for even one dollar of taxpayer money to be entrusted to donald trump as the chomo-in-chief of the executive branch is in and of itself treason worthy of capital punishment.

    So yes, fuck the democrats who have voted to pass budgets that hand trump trillions of dollars that he treats as a blank check. Domt tell me dems are the best way to get him out of power, tell me who to vote for to express my desire that the federal government ceases functioning immediately until he gets out. Because this whole lets vote him out ive been hearing it for ten fucking years now and yet here we are. Stop telling me to wait for November, shut the whole fucking thing down today. This guy rapes children and we’re letting him do anything??? Why?? Shut down the government light the constitution on fire because literally zero authority for anything good in the world can exist while the “leader of the free world” is a rapist murderer who is grifting billions of dollars. Like it just has to stop, fuck the vote, just stop this fucking maniac who slathers his face in orange paint and rambles about how the epstein files exonerated him!!

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      Because this whole lets vote him out ive been hearing it for ten fucking years now and yet here we are.

      This is exactly the issue for me. It’s been a literally a decade of them doing NOTHING but then screaming its the end of the world if we don’t vote for them.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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      Literally nothing you just said invalidates the point the post is trying to make or that we’d be WAY better off with Dems in control.

  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world
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    Okay, but there’s a difference between “both sides are bad” and valid criticism of the democratic party.

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      Voter: That guy’s got a knife and he’s coming for me! What do I do?

      D: Vote for me and I’ll keep you safe!

      Voter: OK! Here I go… let’s… voooooooote!

      D: I win the election, thanks to everyone who donated to my campaign. This is a win for all of us, not just me.

      Voter: Ok, now take that guy’s knife away.

      D: <slaps voter> How dare you criticize me after my very tenuous and delicate victory!

      Voter: But he still has the knife and he’s still coming for me.

      D: Donate $25 to my campaign for re-election and we’ll stop the knife wielding maniacs!

      Voter: But you won already. Are you going to stop the knife wielding maniacs?

      D: We can’t unless you vote D in the next election.

      Voter: But I voted D in this one, and you won, and he still has a knife

      R: Haha! I have won the next election. Here I come with my knife that no one took from me!

      D: How would we have lost?! It must be the voters’ fault! Donate $25 to my campaign and we’ll send out weird postcards saying that we’ll know if you voted or not

      Voter: Well, getting slapped is not as bad as getting stabbed!

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        My point stands. D taking your vote and your donation while not doing anything is still less bad than R actively stubbing you with his knife.

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          LOL. And the good cop giving you a coffee with a gentle tone of voice is better than the bad cop screaming at you. The D is literally watching the guy with the knife and going “whatever” and you think they’re on your side?

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        To give some more specific examples:

        Liberal voters: We pay more for healthcare than anyone else! Can you use our money for Medicare for All?

        Politicians:

        Voters: Why have we been blockading Cuba since fucking 1962? Make it stop!!

        Politicians:

        Voters: Scientist are warning about climate change!! We need to take drastic measures!

        Politicians:

        Voters: ICE is killing people and racially profiling! It’s a danger to us all and must be abolished!!

        Politicians:

        Voters: Stop killing brown people with our tax dollars! Pull support away from Israel!!

        Politicians:

        Leftists: I can no longer support the Democratic Party

        Liberal voters:

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    People actually still believe there’s going to be free elections in November… ROFL

    Trump is fully intending to pull a Netenyua and call a national emergency to stay in power.

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    40 plus years of neo liberal policy, that yes have been embraced by ‘both sides’, has been destroying the nation and for some reason people don’t want to admit it.

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      The “some reason” is because most educational text and all entertainment media are published by the same six corporations, all of whom are owned by billionaire parasites who profit greatly from that Neoliberal policy.

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      Discussion should be about disenfranchisement vs lost faith in a system and willingness to let it fail.