• statelesz@slrpnk.net
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    12 hours ago

    This is a textbook antisemitic conspiracy. Israel is not “controlling” the US or any other state. It might be influencing it just like the US and Russia are influencing other nations. But “controling” is factually wrong.

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      yeah agree with this, I wouldn’t even entirely say influencing, America and other west countries just use them as our opening stage, while Israel itself is nor fairly controlled by anyone niether, Tends too light up its own stage time to time. Although if it ain’t obvious to any human being that this dynamic can’t possibly be world affairs. Israel has been being bombed and missile air raided nearly since any of the counter actors of states have existed/armed with such weapons. The creation of the Israeli state itself is also another clear proof of this, also kinda suspicious right? So like after several hundred years or so we just decide to “resurrect” a nation out of the history books?, or no after ww2 we decided the troops are already shipped “might aswell”…

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      Okay. So they just buy all our politicians for funsies.?

      Again. Criticizing Israel is not the same thing as hating on Jews.

      Only Israel is pushing that narrative.

      We all know the difference between a government and a religious group. Do you ?

      Other bad players. Billionaires, especially tech ones but generally all of them. Heritage foundation All the others who sold out our country for their own benefit.

      I never said it was only Israel. But they are a big player.

      I mean for fucks sake , how do you think we ended up bombing Iran ?

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    Don’t forget that, at least for the us, we give them billions of dollars with the requirement that they buy American made weapons. This results in the politicians ability to hide behind job creation and business profitability. While funneling tax payer money to the military industrial complex resulting in more wars or special operations. Instead of schools, healthcare, housing, renewable energies, exploration

    Just for some numbers to go with that statement https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/RL33222

    Edit: adding a bit more

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    I would suspect that, throughout history, there have been many governments that excelled at blackmail. Even its detractors have to admit that it can be highly effective.

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    Its like having the epstein tapes, only with more steps.

    The russian version of it is called ‘kompromat’.

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    Ah yes, Israel puppeteering politicians and bathing in money. I am sure these antisemitic dog-whistles are just used as “”“Anti-Zionism”“” again.

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    Israeli interest are US interest.

    Please. Let’s stop doing “country analysis”. We are not living in feudal times.

    You are not “America” you are an “American”. The interest of America’s capitalist class are aligned and the same as the Israeli colonial project. Your personal interest are not a part of “America’s” interest AT ALL. Stop trying to disassociate or scapegoat those crimes to America’s proxy state.

    This class based understanding is becoming significantly more important as “the right” shifts to becoming anti Israel. They are not doing this to “purge” the Imperialist interest from America. They are doing this to defend them. To distract you. To make you think American leaders were “tricked”. They are doing this as an inevitable result of public opinion that the contradictions of their narrative need to shift with. They will shift to “blaming the Jews” for the failures in US foreign policy and it’s war mongering.

    They won’t say this so bluntly. They will attach to populous anti Zionist messages in order to control the narrative. “It’s Israels fault alone”.

    Please, please don’t be fooled by this.

    If you want a class based and economic analysis of what is going on I can’t recommend the channel below enough. He literally posted a video related to this today.

    https://youtu.be/zcXrvKVsPV8

    We on the left have been critical of Israel for years. But if your criticism was not based in understanding the material interest of American empire you will fall pray to the simple right wing narrative that makes you feel like “America” is not the problem. That capitalism is not the problem. When the reality is; that they are.

    You are “an American”; you live here. Stop trying to justify what “America” does as a defense of your identity. That “America” can be good if we just purge these lobbying groups. No, “America” is those lobbying groups. “America” is the interest of capital. You have no more of a control of “America’s” foreign interventions than you do Israels. And they are one in the same.

    Yes. Israel has massive influence over American politics if you are blinded by looking at the interest based on a separation of countries. There is no separation. These are all the interest of the capitalist (Epstein) class.

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      American oligarchs are not “America”. They are a small percentage of the population.

      They don’t represent American people’s interest. They represent their own.

      Their wants absolutely do not represent the people’s.

      Also , this simple diagram does not blame Israel for all of the U.S problems. It specifically illustrated the infiltration and control by Israel.

      Putin also seems to have some control over trump which in turn is control of u.s actions.

      Israel’s atrocities are exceeding those of the Holocaust.

      Which I think most people thought would never happen again. But here we are.

      And I really don’t care for you saying it’s antisemitism to criticize Israel. That’s not what the word mean.

      I’m not criticizing Jewish people. I’m criticizing the government of Israel.

      Im sure some jews are great and some awful. Just like any other group.

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        American citizens interest are not what shape US foreign policy or what it uses its military for. You can have an “idea” of what American individuals interest are. But what “America” is, for most of the world, is what America does when serving the purpose of oligarchs. What its actually actions are. It doesn’t matter if every person in the American working class didn’t want war with Iran. When the bombs drop anyway, that is what “America” is to the people dying from them.

        You aren’t separating the idea of “an American” (that is someone that lives here) and “America” as it is seen by the people that are under the oppression of its military or economic warfare. All you are doing is defending an “idea” of what Americans want. Which is meaningless unless that idea is actually able to change “America’s” actual actions.

        I literally never said it’s antisemitism to criticize Israel. Did you just not read my comment? I said that antisemitism will be used as a scapegoat by the right to disassociate the crimes of the US and place blame solely on Israel.

        Seems like you didn’t understand anything I said. Because you just repeated the things my comment already addressed. You can disagree. But you aren’t addressing what I said at all. You’re just doubling down and ignoring what I said. Which makes me think you just don’t understand what my comment was explaining.

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          Okay so if Israel controls the american politicians who make policies that benefit Israel. How is that American interest?

          That’s just Israel controlling the U.S.

          If u.s interests were the same as Israel, they wouldn’t have to pay them off to support Israel. Most of them would agree without needing bribes.

          I do think the country is what it’s people are. Government is supposed to represent our interests. But it isn’t because they have all been bought and are corrupt.

          The government officials arent some god-appointed entity that gets to decide what’s best for their pockets and treats the people as expendable for that purpose. Their wants do not get to override what the people want just because they are greedy and prideful.

          The true goal of a government is to help the people live their best lives. Long term and short term. Making sure legislation is passed to regulate all the things that go into that. Not to enrich itself. Not to grab more power. Not to increase its own wealth.

          You are accepting a capitalistic view of government that is harmful. These individuals don’t deserve their positions and they certainly don’t speak for their people.

          When a government no longer represents it’s people, its not long before it’s overthrown.

          The Jewish hate thing is mostly popular in alt right groyper types. They already hate Jews. To be fair they hate most of the worlds people.

          Since the mainstream media is controlled and censored right now, it’s very clear they are selective on how they describe any bad actions by Israel.
          They are always framing it like Israel is the victim. Or israel wasnt the bad guy. So I don’t see mainstream media promoting antisemitism. Example: