They need to cast out the person who can’t renew the ssl certificate.
Who renews certificates these days? You automate that now, especially with 47 day certs coming.
That’s the level of incompetency that needs to be booted
My renewals have been running in a crontab for five years without any hiccups. The fact they can’t do that is simply lazy.
Riot Games recently screwed it and downed LoL for a while
The fact that CachyOS more or less successfully replaced Manjaro’s purpose I guess is evidence of Manjaro’s issues.
I forgot but I think Bazzite had similar complaints (due to its use of silverblue) in which case it was just more straightforward to use Fedora or OpenSUSE if you don’t want to work with the read only root system.
Downstream distros need to bring additional value to the table to be worth using, otherwise there’s really no need if you can make a package group that accomplishes the same thing in one go.
I had been using Pop-os for about a year but wasn’t completely happy with it. A friend suggested Bazzite and, to me, it was a lot better in some ways and worse in others. I’ve since switched to Fedora and don’t really have any complaints. I don’t plan on switching again baring something I don’t see coming.
Is Kalpa still kickin?
As others suggest, why stay attached to Manjaro at all? Instead of forking, what about expending that energy on a rising distro without such reputational damage?
CachyOS is very close “in spirit” if they want to develop modified/custom packages, but there are plenty Arch downstream distros with less toxic communities.
They could even fork some other project and make the changes they like. It’d be a saner base than Manjaro at this point.
EndeavorOS too, which is even closer to “vanilla” Arch than CachyOS.
You are assuming that the cachy devs want the help of folks who have not demonstrated competence in their own project or want to do stuff how manjaro does
Social status alone is a reason to try and keep it alive. You might have had an influential and powerful role as a Manjaro forum mod, package maintainer, server admin, etc. Switching to a different distro means you will have to start at zero and work your way up.
Aragorn writes that Philip Müller (the project lead) has been running Manjaro as his own personal venture rather than a community effort, keeping a tight hold on access to both the codebase and the infrastructure.
These weasels never care about the actual thing that is being built, its just a way to make money for them.
Hope they kick that Philip guy out and get back to making this a passion project.
The core members with passion for the actual thing should restart under a new name.
Switching distros was not on my agenda. 🙃
Me neither. The more I dwell on it, the grumpier I’m getting. Distro hopping is a young man’s sport. I’ve got work to do.
Thankfully, I learned the hard way a long time ago that my files are almost entirely on a secondary drive and my home folders are all simply symlinks to folders there, so I won’t lose any data since that drive won’t be wiped. But it’s just such a pain in the butt to set up everything the way I like it.
Gnome has a Save Desktop app which backs up your desktop config, list of Flatpak apps, and the folders you choose. I use Bazzite but I’m not locked in.
That would require that I use Gnome. Which would be worse than reinstalling everything.
It would not https://vikdevelop.github.io/SaveDesktop/
Just what I needed for my KDE. Thank you.
Psst, you can keep your /home. Copy /home/username to a new partition before the install (just the username folder in the root of the new partition), do the install, and point it at your new partition as /home. Bam, it’s your new home.
Or you could copy out/copy back.
You’ll need to reinstall your apps, but you won’t need to redo all your settings for them.
– Frost
I like to have a separate partition for /home Whatever happens I can wipe root safely and install something else.
I used to bother doing all of that too. I just found symlinking achieved the same results without a bunch of manually configuring of mount points.
I’m starting to regret not having a separate home partition.
Ya I used to do this but didn’t for this install. I think I’m just going to make a new partition or slap in another disk for the OS and my out the manjaro disk as my home and blow away the rest of the OS.
I’ve been on Manjaro for years, but have been considering switching to Endeavour or CachyOS (or maybe vanilla Arch, but I’m lazy). Looks like it may be time to ditch Manjaro.
EOS plus Cachy Kernel is what I recommend.
You had plenty of time tbh. As a former Manjaro user myself.
Funny how you assume how much time is enough when you have no idea who I am and what I have going on lol
Manjaro has been on a decline for over 3 years at this point. But no, you’re right, how dare I assume you ever had time to use your computer.
awh comon I just installed it for the first time, what’s wrong with Manjaro?
I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s bad, but I don’t use it because:
- The project’s had a history of failing at really basic administrative tasks like keeping their ssl certificate up to date
- I’m unconvinced they actually do the testing that justifies the delays and not just using arch. This is because security patches sometimes also get delayed and issues have gotten past the delay
- They’ve accidentally DDoSed the aur multiple times by shipping broken versions of pamac when fixed versions were available
- I’ve seen complaints about leadership and how they handle finances, though I haven’t really looked into this
It’s not so much that the distro is bad, but the leadership of the project, according to a lot of the community working on it, is very unresponsive, bad at administration, doesn’t make decisions that need to be made in a timely manner and not really doing their job. The community basically wants to cut them out and move on.
Don’t worry, it’s just the open-source version of the market correcting. There’s no stock, no venture capital. If the group putting in time and effort to help maintain something doesn’t like how the project is being run, they take a copy and start over with a new name. It’s happened countless times on OS, it’ll happen countless more. Often, the existing leadership is burned out, some of the more active members move on, and those left through attrition lack the skills to keep it going. The forks generally move forward faster and cleaner with more active people. Other than needing to change distros, it’s pretty much a win.
I dont know about manjaro, but manjaro for arm is dead in the water and hasnt updated its packages from upstream (arch linux arm) in ages.
I assume regular manjaro has similar issues? Dont know though, and im guessing
Did I just find next distro to try? :) Kudos to them anyway (yay, that’s the kind of news I want to hear)
Doesn’t look like it. But the project will now go to the to-be-founded non-profit association.
Philm actually replied around the time of your comment, sharing his disdain that this plan was set in motion, while as company owner he has no one to talk to legally, since the association has not been founded yet. He’s supportive of the move, and technically he’s right. The association should’ve already been founded, to be fair.
I hope this means Manjaro will thrive!
Manjaro will become even less well maintained because the people working on it will spend their time managing this crisis instead of doing productive work on the distro.
as an outsider, reading the forum discussion, the split is not the crisis, the crisis is already ongoing, and the split from the company is actually a step towards a good solution. Also, the discussion tone seems to be very constructive.
Already thought about migrating to EndeavorOS. I hope they can manage to keep the whole thing going.
I made that switch a year ago and it has been great, manjaro cause me alot of little issues I dint realize we’re manjaro specific.
This is why I’m going to argue for pure Arch or Artix. Ultimately, what a lot of these distros bring to the table is artwork. But they bite off a lot more than artwork when doing so. And in time they can start to suck at that administration.
It’s not very hard to set up your system with a vanilla DE and adjust it into something good. You don’t need to get fancy. And to the extent someone else’s art work can be good and accelerate getting to a nice system, there are other ways to distribute that.
You should want your distro to be 95% administration and 5% art because in the long run that’s whats going to keep your system stable and avoid future headaches. But some artists are overly ambitious and envision creating an entire version of an operating system, including the parts they aren’t passionate about. And some people buy in on this premise and install these projects. …instead of just releasing dot files.
For it to go well requires that both the leadership and the contributors are passionate about all of the parts and passionate about them forever. Not very likely. If you want a distro that is administered well, get a distro where administration is all they do, and then get your artwork as a separate selection.
Now you can get your art from artists who put 95% of their effort into art. And your package stability by people who put 95% of their effort into package stability.
Everyone has romantic feelings toward a system that is integrated. But what they should realize is that integrated and modular are opposites. And modular is what they should want, with effective roll separation.
If they fork Majaro that is good. If when they fork it they scope down to just distribute a dot file set, and maybe create their own easy installer for Arch that isn’t a seperate whole distro, that is better.
Looks like a decent plan. I’ll have no problem with supporting non-profit
its a garbage distro
I’ve been using it for years, very few problems
Honestly good on them. I hope they succeed and bring the project back to life.
Burn it down
I haven’t used Arch for quite a while but doesn’t it come with an install script now which makes the installation more automated? That should enable a lot more people to install Arch instead of e.g. Manjaro I suppose. I’m not an expert on Manjaro but are there any meaningful positives to pick Manjaro over Arch?
I moved back to a debian based distro and it’s basically the same. Doesn’t really matter which one you use
LMDE is pretty good, and I have a reasonable amount of trust in the Mint team to keep it on track
