What the US is doing to Cuba is not a “blockade” either, in the dictionary definition. The US is just sanctioning the shit out of anybody who sells oil to Cuba. Which is evil, but legal under international law.
I am not sure about legal as it is causing civilian death. It is a grey area and in violation of human rights and international humanitarian law. Of course no one is really enforcing these against the US sooo…
Possibly. But at least it is a grey area, not obviously illegal. Unlike e.g. Iran shooting random third party civilian ships in an international shipping lane, which is unambiguously illegal.
Yes, but Cuba never did this whereas the US attacked a defenseless ship returning from war games and killed 87 Iranian sailors.
It was a warship in a war. So fuck the US in general, but that is a bad example of illegality.
The US has also been attacking civilian fishing ships claiming they are narco terrorists summarily executing civilians without trial.
Yes, that was also illegal. But that was not part of the Cuba embargo.
The US is doing a lot of illegal shit right now. But if you want to argue that the US is doing illegal shit related to Cuba, you need to actually cite examples related to Cuba.
It is a fucking warship in international waters - if it is a war, then it is a valid target.
The US’s war as a whole is illegitimate, I agree. So if you want to complain about illegality then argue that, instead of an attack on a legitimate military target inside the war - that is silly.
The US sub not picking up the sailors after sinking the ship does seem like a straight up warcrime.
I am done giving the US any leeway with the way they have been acting. Department of War, lethality, and the rest of their garbage.
Oh, I am right there with you. Fuck the US.
But I just like randomly flinging around words like “illegal” in the sense of “things I don’t like”. If we do not require ourselves to make sure what we say is true, then soon we will be no better than them.
Incorrect I think. There was that one Greek ship, but I think the US just threatened it with sanctions, not boarded it. So the threat of legal action, not the threat of force.
Moments before the seizure, the tanker was flying the Guyanese flag, despite not being registered in that country.
It is legal to seize ships flying a false flag. So that seizure was not an illegal blockade by the US.
Second one is a Venezuelan one, which fair enough the US is acting illegally in all kinds of ways with Venezuela, nobody serious disputes that. But Venezuela is a special case.
Third one was a Panama flagged ship, and “Permission to board was obtained from Panama”. So boarding that was legal.
Etc etc I assume. My point being, it is not a complete blockade - the US is going out of their way to specify legality (excluding Venezuela…). The US is not going to illegally board the Russian ships heading for Cuba.
What the US is doing to Cuba is not a “blockade” either, in the dictionary definition. The US is just sanctioning the shit out of anybody who sells oil to Cuba. Which is evil, but legal under international law.
I am not sure about legal as it is causing civilian death. It is a grey area and in violation of human rights and international humanitarian law. Of course no one is really enforcing these against the US sooo…
Possibly. But at least it is a grey area, not obviously illegal. Unlike e.g. Iran shooting random third party civilian ships in an international shipping lane, which is unambiguously illegal.
Yes, but Cuba never did this whereas the US attacked a defenseless ship returning from war games and killed 87 Iranian sailors.
The US has also been attacking civilian fishing ships claiming they are narco terrorists summarily executing civilians without trial.
Not very grey areas.
It was a warship in a war. So fuck the US in general, but that is a bad example of illegality.
Yes, that was also illegal. But that was not part of the Cuba embargo.
The US is doing a lot of illegal shit right now. But if you want to argue that the US is doing illegal shit related to Cuba, you need to actually cite examples related to Cuba.
Bullshit, that was a straight up a war crime. Iran never declared war and we just attacked them for no legal reason whatsoever.
It is a fucking warship in international waters - if it is a war, then it is a valid target.
The US’s war as a whole is illegitimate, I agree. So if you want to complain about illegality then argue that, instead of an attack on a legitimate military target inside the war - that is silly.
The US murdered those sailors, knew they were defenseless, and did not inform anyone and let them drown. Fucking horrible.
I am done giving the US any leeway with the way they have been acting. Department of War, lethality, and the rest of their garbage.
Playing with the lives of the Cuban people for no reason other than they can. It is disgusting, they did nothing to deserve this.
The US sub not picking up the sailors after sinking the ship does seem like a straight up warcrime.
Oh, I am right there with you. Fuck the US.
But I just like randomly flinging around words like “illegal” in the sense of “things I don’t like”. If we do not require ourselves to make sure what we say is true, then soon we will be no better than them.
No the US is taking ships sailing oil to Cuba. It is not just sanctions.
Incorrect I think. There was that one Greek ship, but I think the US just threatened it with sanctions, not boarded it. So the threat of legal action, not the threat of force.
Wikipedia has a long list of sources for US seizures of oil tankers sailing to Cuba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_oil_blockade_during_Operation_Southern_Spear#Interdiction_activity
It is legal to seize ships flying a false flag. So that seizure was not an illegal blockade by the US.
Second one is a Venezuelan one, which fair enough the US is acting illegally in all kinds of ways with Venezuela, nobody serious disputes that. But Venezuela is a special case.
Third one was a Panama flagged ship, and “Permission to board was obtained from Panama”. So boarding that was legal.
Etc etc I assume. My point being, it is not a complete blockade - the US is going out of their way to specify legality (excluding Venezuela…). The US is not going to illegally board the Russian ships heading for Cuba.