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If you take Europe as a continent, it beats the USA handily. To make it comparable, the US athletes should be grouped by state. They’d do even worse.

Please explain how you come to the conclusion that operating a motorcycle is not as bad as a car.

Depends on the bike; a 125cc Honda Wave burns 1 gallon of gas per 160 miles, ~60 isn’t uncommon for bigger bikes.

Depends on the car too. Motorcycles are worse for the environment than hybrid cars.

Yes, 2 wheeled vehicles are less safe than cars. We can make streets safer for everybody by lowering speed limits and reducing car usage.

Speed limits exist in Europe. Motorcyclists regularly ignore them.

That’s not the bike, it’s the muffler.

“He hit me!”, “He didn’t hit you, the arm hit you”. A distinction without a difference.

This is the key benefit; by decreasing the area that needs to be dedicated to car RoW and parking, and the overall speed, you make a place more bicycle and pedestrian-friendly.

You can also get rid of all motorbikes and improve public transport. One motorcycle takes up the space of at least 2 bikes. And one bus can transport many more people in the same area than bikes ever could.

pretty much necessary for delivery drivers in fully pedestrianized areas

That’s false. I invite you to visit Denmark (Copenhagen) or the Netherlands. Electrified bikes and cargo bikes can move a lot and can do so safely in areas with bike paths.

Unwillingness to accept the truth. Look in the mirror.

You’re just biased. Motorcycles are just as bad for the environment as cars. Motorcycle accidents also result in death more often. They are often also louder than cars. The only upside they have is that they are easier to park.

To make motorcycles better, you have to go electric, which of course also drastically reduces possible travel distance on a single charge, and also introduces dependencies on electrical systems.

Fuck the US and their shitty influence.

Most narrow-minded response in the thread. Wow.

We need a European Federation, right about yesterday. 26 countries all with equal power at the table is like 26 cooks trying to decide on the next menu. Sure, it’s nice if they have infinite time, but to make decisions quickly? It’s way too slow.

He said it. He did it. Legend.