• 8oow3291d@feddit.dk
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    So you have an average normal politician running against literally Hitler. And people vote for literally Hitler.

    And you don’t think the problem is the people voting for literally Hitler?

    Don’t get me wrong, the US voting system is also bad. But that is really, really not the main problem here…

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      IMO the bigger problem is that the “average normal politician” managed to be so bad that voters didn’t feel motivated to vote against Hitler.

      This should have been a slam dunk - and there were literally a number of easy ways to motivate voters, like promising to stop the ongoing genocide the country is funding. But when given the choice between “letting Hitler win” and “stopping the genocide”, Harris and the entire DNC leadership chose to let Hitler win.

      Isn’t that deeply fucked up?

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        It was a slam dunk. I still know trump supporters who think everything negative said about him is a lie. Why did this never happen in human history before (an unrelenting smear campaign running for over a decade against an innocent man)? Meh I dunno something about woke.

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            yeah but she COULD have won retroactively if we browbeat people who already vote blue for the next ten years about it

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              She was! But since a rather large portion of the US public seems to have 0-3 neurons, it’s not enough to be the obvious choice for everyone else.

              Harris and her campaign knew this. They had polls clearly showing that she’s so bad at motivating voters that she’ll likely lose.

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                No, it was the voters fault that Harris decided to fish for the republican vote by shifting more to the right in her rhetoric. Those stupid people should have voted blue no matter who!

                empty meme of the guy that puts a branch in the wheel of his bicycle and is laying on the ground holding his leg in the third panel

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          your whole comment is provably false. claming the attack on the 7. was a genocide is laughably false.

          do not forget that Israel has made gaza a concentration camp long before that time.

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            claming the attack on the 7. was a genocide is laughably false.

            I linked a source (Well, a wiki article which itself link sources). You spew bullshit.

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              you linked the wikipedia article. it’s allegations. if you had read it you would first notice that the allegations are about “intent” and genocide. As the power imbalance is laughably.

              The empire long called the rebellion murderes with genocidal intent. When the rebellion hit what they could, the empire killed their own to avoid hostages. The empire then told all that the rebels had murdered babies and made up other lies to make the rebels look bad.

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                it’s allegations.

                So are the current allegations against Israel, right?

                To be more than allegations, there would have to be a ICC judgement in either case, I think?

                As the power imbalance is laughably.

                Just because you are laughably weak, it does not mean you can’t do evil.

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              A wiki page listing people who have called it a genocide doesn’t exactly prove that it was one, and regardless the israelis have long been oppressing the people in gaza, including illegally capturing land by force for many years, so them striking back would be less a genocide and more an act of war, a warcrime in this instance as they largely attacked civillians, but so does israel which is why both the leader of hamas and israel are wanted war criminals

              It’s like saying the slave revolts in ancient rome were genocides because the slaves were attacking romans, who else were they supposed to attack? And could you really blame them for striking back at their oppressors?

              Ideally it would have been resolved peacefully but the international community turned a blind eye to what was happening, and israel sure as hell wasn’t about to stop out of the kindness of their heart

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                It’s not insane, it’s a rhetorical tactic. “OK, fine, Israel is doing a genocide - but they did it to us first!”.

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      If you had this system in Europe you would not like the results. Best outcome: 200 years of middle of the road conservative shit Christian party

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        What do you mean? Hitler committed genocide, so Hitler was given the weapons. And Hitler was given the authority for those weapons through a democratic process, by way of average normal politicians (Paul von Hindenburg, specifically).

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          I mean Netanyahu is Hitler and they were giving him weapons. That’s not what normal does.

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      Considering how land has more political power than people in the US, the voting system is still a major issue.

      If we had the National Popular Vote for US elections, then more people living in deep blue states would have more reason to show up to vote when their candidate already is going to win by well over double digit points in their state.

      When low population states are overrepresented in Senate and Presidential elections, then we can end up in a ruled by the minority situation.

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      Yeah, I agree. If this can ever happen all you can really say is that us culture is cancer.